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I don't know, I felt that the discussion of religion was pertinent to the PD list, to an extent. After all, those opposed to ESCR are usually so on religious grounds. From this follow all sorts of questions, not only religious but constitutional. These issues are certainly of import to us PWP. (Sample questions: 1) Is there a way to guarantee the rights of the non-religious within the framework of a religious society? 2) Is there an ethical way to produce the 'really good' stem cells? 3) Just how viable is adult stem cell and other alternatives? 4) What are the core concepts behind an anti-ESCR stance?) These are worthy of discussion, I think. I've gained many small insights which I think will help me as I lobby for the research with my elected officials. It's when the argument comes down to "Yes, there is a god," "No, there isn't!" that it gets futile and aggravating. Either that, or a subtle, or not subtle, personal jibe, attack, or remark sends the conversation over the edge of it's nicely cooking saute pan and into a spreading grease fire. At that point I'd rather see a rerun of Monty Python's 'argument' sketch. Anyway, as a musician/artsy type, I very much favor unrestricted personal expression. But I reiterate that I will be on my best behavior (8=)) and try not to tick anybody off. Enjoy! Rick McGirr Email: [log in to unmask] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn