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Would Calvin College have welcomed all the other politicians including Bill Clinton, Madeline Allbright and Al gore who "lied" about WMD in 1998-2000? > Yes, it's going to be interesting when Bush veteos the stem cell bill HR810. > > We must try to remember that not all religerants oppose SCR; people like > Episcopalians Senator John McCain and my old friend Marilyn Tinsman support > it, as well as Mormon Orrin Hatch (the LDS Church apparently does not take a > position on it, my LDS cousin opposes it) but the Jerry Fallwells have a > way of getting their way these days. They are a clear and present danger to > our republic in many ways. > > Apparently the recent Southern Baptist excommunication of members who voted > for Kerry did not set well with many other church members. > > Bush was also not welcome at Calvin Christian college in Wisconsin due to > his lying about WMD and starting the war in Iraq. Some Christians still > follow the moral values of peace, love, and tolerance. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:04 AM > Subject: stem cell showdown? Texas hoedown! > > > > After all the lobbying of individual MOC, after all the op/ed pieces, > > there lies a dirty W., and more reason for concern. Judge by the > > following, taken from a posting here, by YoungParkinsons.com... > > > > "In (an) 11-min. speech, set not in the Oval Office but against an > > expanse of Texas prairie, the President talked about the dream of > > wiping out Alzheimer's disease and childhood diabetes but also of the > > nightmarish "hatcheries" of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World." > > > > Let's see, we have on the one hand solid scientific evidence, and on > > the other, fear of some scenario from a novel... > > > > "House passage, [of HR 810, supporting use of excess embryos from > > fertility clinics] all sides agree, would spur action in the Senate, > > where prospects for an identical bill are just as good, with 58 > > co-sponsors--just short of a filibuster-proof majority. It helps that > > the bill's backers are led by Republican Orrin Hatch of Utah, a lion > > of the pro-life movement. From the Senate, barring some kind of a > > procedural snag, the bill would wind up on Bush's desk. > > > > "That's an excruciating prospect for the White House, made all the > > more so by the fact that a rejection of the stem-cell legislation > > would be Bush's first veto ever. Opponents of embryonic-stem-cell > > research say they have received private assurances from the White > > House that the President will stay true to his word, and they are > > working to get enough votes on their side so that the veto cannot be > > overturned." > > > > How do you like them apples? At the top of this whole mess we have a > > president who 1. can't handle the issue based on reason and science, > > but who relies on ancient texts, gut instinct and superstition, and 2. > > is beholden to the Religerants, who would impose a new religious moral > > authority on our country. > > > > Three cheers for Orin Hatch! And believe me, I never thought I would > > seriously write that! > > > > Here is the link to the posting by YP: > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/16/bush.stemcells.tm/ > > > > Enjoy Spring! > > Rick McGirr > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn