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I have no idea or care who Calvin College would welcome. I am only reporting what happened. I do know that Bush was the President who took us to war because he and Tony Blair said Iraq had WMD. That not being the case, the reason has now morphed into "spreading democracy and freedom" This excuse was was used in WWI "making the world safe for democracy" and the"war to end all wars" led to WWII." Millions died in both wars and we're back to square one again. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy James" <[log in to unmask]> To: "Parkinson's Information Exchange Network" <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]> Cc: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: Re: stem cell showdown? Texas hoedown! > Would Calvin College have welcomed all the other politicians including > Bill Clinton, Madeline Allbright and Al gore who "lied" about WMD in > 1998-2000? > > >> Yes, it's going to be interesting when Bush veteos the stem cell bill >> HR810. >> >> We must try to remember that not all religerants oppose SCR; people like >> Episcopalians Senator John McCain and my old friend Marilyn Tinsman >> support >> it, as well as Mormon Orrin Hatch (the LDS Church apparently does not >> take a >> position on it, my LDS cousin opposes it) but the Jerry Fallwells have a >> way of getting their way these days. They are a clear and present danger >> to >> our republic in many ways. >> >> Apparently the recent Southern Baptist excommunication of members who >> voted >> for Kerry did not set well with many other church members. >> >> Bush was also not welcome at Calvin Christian college in Wisconsin due to >> his lying about WMD and starting the war in Iraq. Some Christians still >> follow the moral values of peace, love, and tolerance. >> Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:04 AM >> Subject: stem cell showdown? Texas hoedown! >> >> >> > After all the lobbying of individual MOC, after all the op/ed pieces, >> > there lies a dirty W., and more reason for concern. Judge by the >> > following, taken from a posting here, by YoungParkinsons.com... >> > >> > "In (an) 11-min. speech, set not in the Oval Office but against an >> > expanse of Texas prairie, the President talked about the dream of >> > wiping out Alzheimer's disease and childhood diabetes but also of the >> > nightmarish "hatcheries" of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World." >> > >> > Let's see, we have on the one hand solid scientific evidence, and on >> > the other, fear of some scenario from a novel... >> > >> > "House passage, [of HR 810, supporting use of excess embryos from >> > fertility clinics] all sides agree, would spur action in the Senate, >> > where prospects for an identical bill are just as good, with 58 >> > co-sponsors--just short of a filibuster-proof majority. It helps that >> > the bill's backers are led by Republican Orrin Hatch of Utah, a lion >> > of the pro-life movement. From the Senate, barring some kind of a >> > procedural snag, the bill would wind up on Bush's desk. >> > >> > "That's an excruciating prospect for the White House, made all the >> > more so by the fact that a rejection of the stem-cell legislation >> > would be Bush's first veto ever. Opponents of embryonic-stem-cell >> > research say they have received private assurances from the White >> > House that the President will stay true to his word, and they are >> > working to get enough votes on their side so that the veto cannot be >> > overturned." >> > >> > How do you like them apples? At the top of this whole mess we have a >> > president who 1. can't handle the issue based on reason and science, >> > but who relies on ancient texts, gut instinct and superstition, and 2. >> > is beholden to the Religerants, who would impose a new religious moral >> > authority on our country. >> > >> > Three cheers for Orin Hatch! And believe me, I never thought I would >> > seriously write that! >> > >> > Here is the link to the posting by YP: >> > >> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/16/bush.stemcells.tm/ >> > >> > Enjoy Spring! >> > Rick McGirr >> > Email: [log in to unmask] >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn