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Mackenzie, Opponents of embryonic stem cell research claim a "person" is being murdered or killed when blastocysts are used for research. Theoretically and actually they could become a person if they survive thawing, succeed in implantation in a womb, survive gestation and are born alive. This is the "moral" argument against using blastocysts for research. They don't seem to oppose the IVF clinics that produce and routinely discard them in the IVF process. Nuclear transfer, an unfertilized egg and one's own DNA, COULD possibly lead to your own delayed twin being born, like Snuppy the dog, although all legislation that I've heard of bans that. I personally am not offended by human cloning, but there is a great fear of it among opponents of ESCR, they re afraid it will lead to that. In the Congress they are kicking around ideas re legislation that would allow for taking a cell to create stem cell lines from an embryo w/out destroying the embryo, something like they do in gene checking for defects in the IVF process. No animal research has been done on this. I still don't know what they will do with the extra embryos, unless they can get them all "adopted" which is a pretty daunting task. I don't think 100 microscopic undifferentiated cells are a person, but bestowing personhood and a SSN on these cells would make it easier to overturn Roe v. Wade. It has been made into an abortion issue, which I think is wrong. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Hurlbut, Bioethics and Hypocrisy > thank you, rayilynlee - but i have never understood > the whole stem cells as people thing... i imagine > there is some reasoning that escapes me - would you > explain it to me? > > thank you! > mackenzie > > --- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Very interesting article Mackenzie, read a blog last >> night that had a very >> short letter - If stem cells are people, why aren't >> they counted in the >> census? Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:57 PM >> Subject: Hurlbut, Bioethics and Hypocrisy >> >> >> > article on Blogger News Network about the >> > "alternative" methods for obtaining ESCs, and the >> > hypocrisy they reveal, among other things: >> > >> > >> > http://www.bloggernews.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/HM0000059.txt >> > >> > mackenzie >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn