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Bob, sorry for not making myself clear. I think Bush's anti-science position includes his restrictive stance on stem cell research which MIGHT someday help PWP and others who suffer from incurable diseases.. The teaching of ID or creationism in a science class is a part of that war on science., which is costing years of research and millions of lives. It has been noted in the media that Americans are "scientifically challenged" because science education here in the US is poor. KF, Charlie, and others have taken the time to explain to us what science is about. Don't you think that people slowly dying of an incurable disease should be better educated about science, or should we just trust our leader, who thinks he is directed by God? Although Bush exhibits little understanding of anything, I'm thinking he's taking this position because he gets votes. Surely, he can't be as uncompassionate as he seems. Help will come only with leaders friendly to and knowledgeable about science. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Allison" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Relevance of ID to PD > Ray In your reply to a question of how ID relates to PD, you never once > tried to answer the question or used the word PD--come on gang--lets stop > pretending that everything in the world is related to our having PD. Lets > help each other, not wrangle with every idea. Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:16 PM > Subject: Relevance of ID to PD > > >> Since I am the instigator of this request for a discussion of the > scientific method, I think it should be noted that teaching ID in a > science > class is just one of Bush's anti-science positions. His faith based > restriction of embryonic stem cell research, which is going forward in > South > Korea and other places, directly affects us PWP. Global warming is > another, > but I am told by my evangelical relatives that they aren't concerned about > it because the "rapture" is coming. >> >> Everything is "faith based" including his "trust me" on Harriet Meirs. > It's amazing that his evangelical base is not trusting him. When have we > heard the trust the leader call before, especially one who takes his > orders > from God? >> Ray >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn