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Paula: This is not the place for religious pronouncements. You have taken things way beyond the richness of an intellectual dialogue about what is science and what is not. ID is just the latest of many strategies of the religious right to try to impose their version of religious reality on the American public - with their current efforts directed at the most impressionable, captive audience - our children. As we speak, there are undoubtedly other religious idealogues of your persuasion who are cooking up the next campaign to make Americans into their own image. Please don't use this forum in the same tradition. Your efforts would be better spent in looking beyond a narrow view of history, reality - and science - and contributing to some resolution of the many extreme conditions (i.e. disability, poverty) that afflict our citizens - irrespective of religious convictions. And, that is the best tradition of all major religions: extending a helping hand to others. That does not, by most people's definition, mean a religious harangue. I am by nature a patient and tolerant person. However, your presumptuous attacks on others beliefs or lack thereof exceeds my tolerance. You may be enamored with the belief system you have chosen for yourself, but don't impose it on the rest of us. Take it somewhere else. As happens periodically, perhaps it is time to remind ourselves that the underlying purpose of PIEN is to exchange information about PD. And, by anyone's definition, PD is NOT a religious experience! Sue . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Nixon" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:51 AM Subject: Re: Agnosticism = don't know > Dear Ray, > I certainly can understand why a person would be an agnostic. That is > they way people are taught if the schools can't completely turn you into > an atheist. There are a lot of agnostic scientists that didn't believe in > God, but can see there isn't any other option for the way the everything > is so perfectly made. It couldn't happen. To paraphrase one scientist in > the forward of Darwin's book, he said that evolution didn't work, but the > alternative that God created the world is unexceptable so they are > required to believe the unbelievable. > You can start understanding God by appreciating the beauty he has created > for us. There is no need for beauty in evolution. The Bible, although not > written as a science book, believe it or not is quite accurate > scientifically and archaeologically the more they dig. I heard a man talk > that told of when he was working on his PhD his professor said "I can > prove the Bible isn't true. There were no camels in Egypt in Abraham's > time like the Bible says". Later he said, "Moses couldn't have written > the first 5 books of the Bible because they didn't have writing then." The > speaker then showed us photos of his discoveries that proved that there > were camels there in Abraham's time, and that they did have writing in > Mose's time. The Bible explains God and you are plenty smart to > understand him if you try. Try it, you might like it. Paula > rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Paula, since I am an agnostic it means that we are not convinced God > exists, > but don't rule it out either. It means we don't know. No "agnostic" > scientist would believe in "Intelligent Design" which implies a creator. > > I don't think we are smart enough to understand "God" if it exists. I'm > not. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paula Nixon" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: The Scientific Method does not = God > > >> Dear Katie >> I doubt you have studied into it, why would you. They try to teach >> everyone in the schools that evolution is the only way and that it is a >> fact. However, there are some agnostic scientists out there that have >> come to the conclusion that there has to be Intelligent Design for >> everything to work as well as it does. They still aren't Christians. I >> have heard many scientists speak that finally decided that they just >> couldn't fall for evolution any more. They weren't Christians when they >> made that decision. >> >> Evolution tells you you have to believe in spontaneous generation that >> was >> disproved a hundred years ago, but they say if you give it long enough it >> will work, and "first there was nothing and then it exploded." Steven Jay >> Gould. That takes faith, which is a religion. You just don't have God >> telling you what to do. >> >> Paula >> >> >> lacewell wrote: >> Paula wrote: >> >> "I just want to let it be known that there is real science behind the >> study >> of Intelligent Design" >> >> Not! If you want to delude yourself, that's fine. ID is the religious >> right's attempt to cram Christian beliefs down our throats. 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