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Interesting, David. Yes, the cans were about half the size of a whipped cream can, but I can't recall the color. I went back in after only a few hours. I have lost touch with my roomies from that place. I'm curious as to whether they've suffered any effects from it. Your children's unfortunate problem is also interesting, as both my mom and my son have essential tremor and Tourette's, respectively. There you have it, a double whammy of genetics and environment. Enjoy Fall! Rick McGirr Email: [log in to unmask] ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID LEWIN" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Scientific Method etc > Rick: > As I remember it, they were small blue cans, half the size of a can > of > shaving cream. I too set off the cans and left the house for three > weeks on > vacation. My mistake was that when I returned alone, having left my > family > at our vacation home for seven weeks, I did not wash everything. > The fleas > were gone, and I incorrectly assumed the toxins had dissipated. (I > did put > on the attic fan!) I did this operation twice during successive > family > vacations from which I returned home to work. Two of my children > developed > mild neurological problems. David > > >>From: Rick McGirr <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: Scientific Method etc >>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:19:00 -0400 >> >>David, >> >>I wouldn't be able to tell you what brand we used, but we were >>unsuccessful in the first attempt, so we did it again. This was >>back >>in 1977 or 8. It wasn't a tall can, the size of a whipped cream >>can. >>It was about half as tall. You were supposed to get it going and >>then >>leave immediately, which we did. I remember the directions said it >>was ok to re-enter after 4 hours, and I think we did go in a bit >>quicker than that the second time. I should contact my old roomies >>to >>find out if any of them have problems. >> >>Took my symptoms another 20 years to show up, but they came on >>early, >>when I was about 47. >> >>Enjoy Fall! >>Rick McGirr >>Email: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "DAVID LEWIN" <[log in to unmask]> >>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:05 AM >>Subject: Re: Scientific Method etc >> >> >>>Rick, >>>What product did you use when you flea bombed your band house? I >>>can trace >>>my PD onset back to incidents when I flea bombed my house 2X. I >>>believe I >>>used D-Con. David >>> >>> >>>>From: Rick McGirr <[log in to unmask]> >>>>Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>><[log in to unmask]> >>>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>>Subject: Re: Scientific Method etc >>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:00:06 -0400 >>>> >>>>I think both viewpoints below are correct. To think of my mom, >>>>who >>>>still has her wits about her at 90, bounding across a savannah, >>>>well, >>>>it would make a good cartoon. Modern life allows the survival of >>>>folks, even when they have trouble getting around, like Mom. And >>>>I >>>>think my mom's input and her example have kept the family alive >>>>and >>>>thriving. These days natural selection favors those animals with >>>>access to health care. >>>> >>>>I think they might discover that PD comes from a bad gene, that >>>>the >>>>bad gene was due to something in the parents' environment >>>>somewhere, >>>>between the original chicken/egg and now, and that the disease is >>>>triggered by unnatural things in the offspring's environment. >>>> >>>>My mom has essential tremor, my son has Tourette's, and I'm >>>>sitting >>>>pretty in the middle with PD. Is there a single gene that we >>>>share? >>>>What could my mom or her parents have been exposed to? You never >>>>know. Abraham Lincoln took mercury pills for his melancholia. I >>>>was >>>>exposed to the residue of pesticide immediately after we >>>>flea-bombed >>>>our band house long ago, multiple times. Three, I think. >>>> >>>>Enjoy Fall! >>>>Rick McGirr >>>>Email: [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:40 AM >>>>Subject: Re: Scientific Method etc >>>> >>>> >>>>>. >>>>>Joe wrote: >>>>>I'm not discounting Natural Selection or the idea that the older >>>>>you >>>>>are the >>>>>more likely you will be sick but I don't think Nature acts to >>>>>deliberately >>>>>weed out the old in order to make room for offspring, indeed one >>>>>theory is >>>>>that having older members of a tribe around, especially >>>>>grandmothers, leads >>>>>to higher survival rates for the children >>>>>------------- >>>>>On the contrary, the well understood process of aging in humans >>>>>points to >>>>>the actual breaking down of the body. Anyone who has watched a >>>>>person reach >>>>>their 80s (and beyond) will notice that weight is lost, the >>>>>appetite >>>>>decreases, movement slows, bones become brittle and the immune >>>>>system fails. >>>>>Slowly, nature insures that the elderly will be eliminated. >>>>> >>>>>While it is true that grandmothers were essential for the success >>>>>of >>>>>the >>>>>human race (watched the kids while mom and dad sought food for >>>>>the >>>>>tribe), >>>>>please keep in mind that those grandmothers were probably in >>>>>their >>>>>late >>>>>thirties and forties. It was extremely rare for grandma to reach >>>>>80 >>>>>way >>>>>back when moving quickly through the savanna was essential in >>>>>order >>>>>not to >>>>>be eaten. >>>>> >>>>>PD is certainly another way that the body breaks down. The big >>>>>question >>>>>is....why and how does the disease occur? >>>>>--------- >>>>>God bless >>>>>Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>>>> >>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn