Rick: Your daughter's perception of the 5 paragraph essay serves as an excellent support for why we don't privilege this genre in our first year writing classes at Northridge. Our classes emphasize what has been referred to as "academic argument," which can be loosely defined as thesis based writing in which the main points are used in support of a claim that responds to a specific writing task. When our students first arrive, many of them are so used to the paragraph essay form that they insist on three points even when more (or fewer) points are needed for adequate support. Blind adherence to any form overlooks functionality, and we try to help students gain insight into how writer, audience, purpose, situation, and genre inform whatever they write. By the way--my graduate students have enjoyed your essays in my graduate seminar on Rhetorical and Literary Genre Theory. Irene Clark ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:55:09 -0800 >From: Rick Coe <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: My daughter on the 5-PE >To: [log in to unmask] > > I must stand corrected. And I have two questions. > > I was discussing the 5-paragraph essay (5-PE) with my youngest >daughter (who oddly enough is majoring in Writing & Rhetoric at UBC). She, >of course, has more recent and direct experience with how it is taught in >high school hereabouts. When I said to her that the basic structure is >defined by a thesis statement in the form of 'X is true because a, b, and >c' or 'X is true as exemplified by a, b, and c,' Sasha informed me that, in >practice, the structure is not nearly so precise. Having written a thesis >that defines a topic, she says, the student need only discuss anything >three things that fit into the topic; the three things need not necessarily >prove or support the claim of the thesis statement in order to get a good >grade. > > I am presently responding to some short course papers from 1st >year students in a large lecture course (over 200 students, 4 TAs). A few >students tried to use the 5-PE format. And what they did confirms Sasha's >assertion. They are on topic, but off task: although they demonstrate >that characters in the plays they have studied face specific ethical >issues; they do not fulfill the assignment, which asked them to discuss how >the dramatic action of the plays cause audiences to consider ethical >issues. (This, I should add, is a distinction that has been emphasized in >the course and even defined in the syllabus.) The paper I am reading just >now demonstrates, for instance, that the characters in An Enemy of the >People face the issue of whether or not to renovate the Baths, but not that >the play causes audiences to consider whether one should do what is safe >and expedient or what is right. > > If what Sasha says is correct, I am asking them to do something >they have not previously been required to do, i.e., to write not just on a >topic, but to fulfill a purpose. (N.B., Not even a rhetorical purpose.) > > Does my explanation make sense to anybody? Am I being too picky >in what I want from 1st year students? (I realize, of course, that if I >were teaching the way Russ advocates, this problem probably wouldn't arise.) > >Thanks, >Rick > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to > [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, > write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] > >For the list archives and information about the organization, > its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to > http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Irene L. Clark Ph.D. Director of Composition Professor of English California State University, Northridge -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-