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Welllllll, Marco, there has been a lot of discussion on what should and should not be said on the list. When we last left that touchy subject, my impression was that emotion is part of the field of self-expression, and there are, of course, many strong emotions which course thru all of us here. Why should we not be allowed to express them? After all, without bitter, we would not appreciate sweet. I think Ray was expressing her frustration with those in the US, who would halt many kinds of research on moral grounds with which Ray and many others, myself included, strongly disagree philosophically. They are a source of stress for us. Maybe that's a bit personal, but it is valid, and has directly to do with PD and efforts to find a cure. Opinions and feelings need to be expressed. And I think if we don't continue the philo-side of the debate, then it leaves out an important part of the whole process of finding a cure, especially if that cure is ultimately to come from one of the technologies which is controversial today. Y'never know where the cure will come from, or when. I agree that the other things you mentioned, such as the processed food we eat and the contaminants in our environment, also have a profound effect on all people. I think it will be found that cleaning up the earth and watching very carefully what you injest are very important preventive factors. By the way, do you know of any PD treatment that has no side effects? Enjoy Fall! Rick McGirr Email: [log in to unmask] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco DeMichiel" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Anti-cures Prop 73 & abortion issue > Ray, > > If anyone is ' killing' anyone, it's ourselves for not seeking to > identify > the cause/s from which [true] effective therapies can be developed. > This > might even result in changes to Food processing, i.e. additives, or > withdrawal of some anti-depressants, or an industrial plant might > have to > put in place better emissions systems, etc. > > Stem Cells, in my opinion, have a long way to go yet before I'm > convinced > of the safety and zero side effects. > > These 'groups' be they religious, ethical, or other, are not > consciously > killing us by what they're doing or saying; they're not against > people > with PD, or MS etc; and I would have to believe that statistically > some of > them may have a family member or friend with PD; they may even have > PD. > > I would like to see an end to these emotive and subjective emails, > which > serve no purpose other than to perhaps upset and cause un-necessary > stress > for some 'listserv' members. > > I think we should put in place a plan, with key objectives, and > include as > many countries as possible. And put in place an effective > Organisation > [made up of PwP's and CG's only]. And that whatever findings/ papers > etc. > we produce be presented to [I think] a neutral body such as the > World > Health Organisation [WHO], Geneva. > > I believe that the only progress that will be made, will be made by > us > [PwP's] by taking control. We're far from dead > > Our individual 'Minds are the control centre of a living machine'. > Even > though in our case the fuel flow [dopamine] supply has been reduced > thereby affecting the transport [legs] and gathering [arms] systems, > the > 'mind' [brain]is still 100% processing and learning; it will do > whatever > it can to survive. Some call this 'positive thinking', or 'mind over > matter'. I say it's just simply getting on with life. > > If the combined minds of the Physicists at Los Alomos could produce > the > A-bomb [in less than a year, I think], anything i possible. > > Have faith, > > Marco > >> Rick, this Prop 73 is known to the public as a way to require >> informing >> the >> parents of abortion for underage girls. They are a very sneaky >> bunch >> tying >> the abortion issue to ESCR. They are killing us alright. Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Anti-cures Prop 73 >> >> >>> Oh stop! You're killing me! >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:00 PM >>> Subject: Anti-cures Prop 73 >>> >>> >>>> To briefly recap: Proposition 73 would place a new definition of >>>> life into the California State Constitution: establishing >>>> precedent >>>> that life begins at the instant of conception: language which >>>> refers >>>> to an embryo as "the unborn child, a child conceived but not yet >>>> born." (emphasis added). >>>> These are potential legal grounds to make the entire field of >>>> embryonic stem cell research unconstitutional. If microscopic >>>> cells >>>> can be legally re-defined as a child, then scientists doing >>>> embryonic stem cell research could be said to be murdering a >>>> person. >>>> >>>> If Proposition 73 passes, the ideologues to whom invisible dots >>>> in a >>>> Petri dish are more important than an actual person may have >>>> their >>>> way to stop the research. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn