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Marco, what is the plan? South Korea, Singapore, China, Israel, the UK and Australia are charging ahead with plans. Dr. Hwang is devoted to helping people, I believe, but its not going to be easy for me to get to South Korea if I'm accepted as a research subject. Donating the skin cells would be easy but not getting there. Skin cells can even be turned into embryonic without nuclear transfer!!!!! I believe the research will be done elsewhere than the US and that someday cures will come. Then all the obstructionists with their hurt feelings can go to the end of the line. Vaccines were developed using fetal cells. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco DeMichiel" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Anti-cures Prop 73 & abortion issue > Ray, > > If anyone is ' killing' anyone, it's ourselves for not seeking to identify > the cause/s from which [true] effective therapies can be developed. This > might even result in changes to Food processing, i.e. additives, or > withdrawal of some anti-depressants, or an industrial plant might have to > put in place better emissions systems, etc. > > Stem Cells, in my opinion, have a long way to go yet before I'm convinced > of the safety and zero side effects. > > These 'groups' be they religious, ethical, or other, are not consciously > killing us by what they're doing or saying; they're not against people > with PD, or MS etc; and I would have to believe that statistically some of > them may have a family member or friend with PD; they may even have PD. > > I would like to see an end to these emotive and subjective emails, which > serve no purpose other than to perhaps upset and cause un-necessary stress > for some 'listserv' members. > > I think we should put in place a plan, with key objectives, and include as > many countries as possible. And put in place an effective Organisation > [made up of PwP's and CG's only]. And that whatever findings/ papers etc. > we produce be presented to [I think] a neutral body such as the World > Health Organisation [WHO], Geneva. > > I believe that the only progress that will be made, will be made by us > [PwP's] by taking control. We're far from dead > > Our individual 'Minds are the control centre of a living machine'. Even > though in our case the fuel flow [dopamine] supply has been reduced > thereby affecting the transport [legs] and gathering [arms] systems, the > 'mind' [brain]is still 100% processing and learning; it will do whatever > it can to survive. Some call this 'positive thinking', or 'mind over > matter'. I say it's just simply getting on with life. > > If the combined minds of the Physicists at Los Alomos could produce the > A-bomb [in less than a year, I think], anything i possible. > > Have faith, > > Marco > >> Rick, this Prop 73 is known to the public as a way to require informing >> the >> parents of abortion for underage girls. They are a very sneaky bunch >> tying >> the abortion issue to ESCR. They are killing us alright. Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Anti-cures Prop 73 >> >> >>> Oh stop! You're killing me! >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:00 PM >>> Subject: Anti-cures Prop 73 >>> >>> >>>> To briefly recap: Proposition 73 would place a new definition of >>>> life into the California State Constitution: establishing precedent >>>> that life begins at the instant of conception: language which refers >>>> to an embryo as "the unborn child, a child conceived but not yet >>>> born." (emphasis added). >>>> These are potential legal grounds to make the entire field of >>>> embryonic stem cell research unconstitutional. If microscopic cells >>>> can be legally re-defined as a child, then scientists doing >>>> embryonic stem cell research could be said to be murdering a person. >>>> >>>> If Proposition 73 passes, the ideologues to whom invisible dots in a >>>> Petri dish are more important than an actual person may have their >>>> way to stop the research. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn