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Hope you're not lumping me in under that stinky old term, 'Liberal'. Note: I may advocate letting science advance freely in a free society, but I neither advocate illegal acts, other than your run-of-the-mill sedition, nor did I say much about Dr....who? Nicey nicey Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ramsey" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Medical frauds: Korean scientist hardly the first > What a great statement. Thanks Theresa. You are on my must read > list. > > Rob Ramsey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theresa Rehtom" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:07 AM > Subject: Medical frauds: Korean scientist hardly the first > > >> I am not against this research out of hand. I am against research >> without > controls. I am against blindly following the lead of people that > you > believe support a cause. I am against the growing popular opinion > that the > end justifies the means. I am against the use of one measure or > right for > one person and another for someone who supports your own cause. The > same > measure of right and wrong must be used for all and I would expect a > vehement condemnation of this fraud from this community instead of > excuses. >> >> What I find interesting is that when I first questioned the ethics >> of this > person I was shot down by the leading proponents of this research. > I > indicated that the initial questions of ethics were a sign of some > sloppy > work that could cast doubt on the research. I was told in so many > words > that this was minor and that this work was great. >> >> Now that it appears to be a complete fraud what we hear are not >> words of > betrayal but excuses. For so long we have heard from those who seem > to have > the loudest voices in this forum how great Korea was in this > research and > how far ahead of the US they were and what a shame it was. Now we > see that > it was a complete fraud. >> >> It is unfortunate that when the liberals on this site see they are > betrayed by one of their hero's they immediately try to turn the > tables an > show that this person was not the only one who defrauded. In that > manner > they want to deflect the criticism that is justly due to those who > act in an > un ethical manner. We will soon hear how this is the work of > President Bush > and the evil Republican right wing Christian extremists. >> >> I wonder what an uproar there would be here if this were some hint >> of > fraud on the part of the US government true or untrue. It would be > extreme. > It's about time that the liberals here denounce this work as a > betrayal of > the scientific community. It is a betrayal and it will set back the > research that it was reported to lead. What a shame. >> >> I would expect that type of response but will not see it here. I >> suppose > there will be additional excuses and an increase of condemnation of > those > who may hold some religious opinion on this matter. >> >> For the record, I am not a religious person, I do respect people >> who have > religion, I'm not sure of the nature of God. My opinions are formed > form > what I feel in my heart. From what feels right to me and what feels > wrong. > I don't really need any one from either side to tell me what is > right or > wrong. In my opinion this man committed crimes, he was a bad > scientist, he > set back this research and he deserves to be stripped of all his > credibility > and his research should be trashed. The people on this site should > condem > him without excuses or attacking others as a diversion from the fact > that > they were so easily missled. >> >> Love to all who will accept it... >> >> Theresa >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn