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Greg, I've already sent you several which I hope you've gotten. I'll keep 'em coming. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Wasson" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc > Ray, > > Thanks so much. I would love to get Don's full posts > if it's not too much trouble. You are right about that > conversational style, too. It makes him very easy to > read. Best to you, > > Greg > > --- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Greg, I will forward all Don's posts to you if you >> want. Diane Wysak sends >> me from 30-50 or 60 posts per day and Don's is a >> regular. If I cut and >> paste more thatn 500 lines (whatever that is) PIEN >> rejects it., maybe the >> reason she can't post to the List. She sends me a >> wide variety of views pro >> and con, like LifeNews.com another regular is a >> Cstholic anti sten cell >> research site. >> >> Don has a very conversational style and links >> something else to the ESCR >> message. I left out the pizza connection to >> Brownback on the last one >> because I didn't think it would make the cut. His >> son Roman is a paraplegic >> due to an accident , his sister has cancer and he >> has lost another sister to >> cancer. >> >> If anyone wants to follow the Hwang scandal, >> political situaton in various >> states, research, posts opposed to ESCR, let me know >> and I will try to >> accommodate your interest or position. I did get a >> URL once which I copied >> and pasted but Rick couldn't get it. >> >> I make mistakes. I can no longer type 100 wpm no >> errors I can't do as good >> a job as Murray did, but I know both Diane and I >> would like to try to get >> the word out. I can do little else. >> Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Wasson" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc >> >> >> > Ray, >> > >> > Thnks for giving us Don Reed's moving account of >> his >> > own faith and the story of Joan of Arc. Don is a >> true >> > hero in the stem cell wars. Aj and I have sat >> beside >> > him and and his son Roman many times to testify >> for >> > escr in the California legislature. He is always >> > humble, his testimony moving and from the heart. >> The >> > courage that both he and his son have shown in >> > remarkable. Please continue to let us know his >> > thoughts on the battle's in CA and elsewhere. >> > >> > Greg Wasson >> > Louisville, KY >> > >> > ps - is it my settings, or is the online listserve >> not >> > being maintained - I go to the pien site and the >> last >> > post is from october. >> > >> > --- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > >> >> 55 Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - JOAN OF ARC, >> AND >> >> STEM CELL RESEARCH >> >> >> >> >> >> A noted bioethicist, a minister, recently asked >> me >> >> to put together my "problems with conservative >> >> religion"-why I do not trust them with the future >> of >> >> stem cell research. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have been remiss on answering his request: >> partly >> >> because the subject is vast and very sensitive, >> but >> >> mainly because of my natural aversion to work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But I will try. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A couple disclaimers: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> First, I believe in God. One small nightmarish >> >> example, foolish even, but real to me: I had a >> dream >> >> in which my son's body was lying on a football >> >> field. He was wearing shoulder pads, everything, >> >> full football gear. But his head was several feet >> >> away. His head was upright on the grass, and it >> >> spoke to me: "I'm all right," he said repeatedly. >> >> >> >> I woke, shaking, sobbing in the moonlight, while >> >> Gloria also woke, and comforted me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A few weeks later, my son was paralyzed on the >> >> football field. Was I being given a warning from >> >> above? I have no idea. But I do believe in God, >> as >> >> the source of all. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Second, if I pick on Catholics and Protestants >> more >> >> than other faiths, it is because they are my own. >> My >> >> family is Catholic; I was raised Protestant. I do >> >> not imply other religions are superior, merely >> that >> >> my ignorance about them is more pronounced. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As to which religion I most "like", I would have >> to >> >> say Deism, the faith of America's Founding >> Fathers. >> >> Jefferson, Washington (also Lincoln, later on) >> were >> >> Deists. Deism basically said, God created the >> world, >> >> and after that, He observes, and we have free >> >> will-so everything is up to us; we cannot blame >> >> Anybody Upstairs for what goes wrong. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Deism, having no official organization, was not >> >> attractive to those who like to use religion as a >> >> power structure, in which they can rise, grow >> rich, >> >> and dominate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The only mark Deism left was an invisible one: >> the >> >> Constitutional separation of church and state. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Which was very wise. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Because some religions say they speak with the >> voice >> >> of God-- and therefore cannot be wrong-- and may >> not >> >> even be questioned. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Which seems to me like a modern-day version of >> the >> >> old Abbott and Costello baseball comedy routine, >> >> "Who's on first? What's on second?". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Me (to religious person): How do you know you are >> >> right? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Religious Person: God told me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Me: How am I supposed to know what God told you? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Religious Person: Because I told you what God >> told >> >> me. >> > === message truncated === > > > "Willy Loman never made a lot of money. His name was never in the paper. > He's not the finest character that ever lived. But he's a human being, and > a terrible thing is happening to him. 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