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Marsha, thank you so much for expressing your views. I think this issue is important enough for discussion. Surely we can exchange ideas about something that affects our lives so intimately. I posted the pro-life guy's argument because no one would speak up. Wherever we stand, your case is more complex than mine, I think we need to know the arguments pro and con. Having an incurable disease must have some influence, although I would not favor killing people to save myself. If I were well I would favor all stem cell research, but would probably not be on this list and other websites advocating with passion that it go forward. I would no doubt be living my life. As for abortion, I was never in a position to need one, so I really don't know what I would have done. I do know I would not make this decision for someone else. I think abortion is much more problematic than stem cell research; however, you do have a choice, we didn't have a choice with PD did we? Certainly if you believe SCR and abortion are the same I understand your dilemma. I never thought IVF was such a good idea, but then it was none of my business. It sure has created ethical problems. You should write your story, it would make a good movie, it has all the pros and cons. Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Lance" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1/Carole > Ray, I am a conservative Republican. I am strongly against abortion > except in certain cases such as rape ,health of mother etc. Before I was > dx with PD I had thought a lot about stem cell research. I truly couldn't > decide. My son and his wife are having infertility treatments right now. > They have tried twice with invitro and it hasn't worked. They have > several embroys frozen so they can try again. Now I have Parkinson, did > it settle the problem of stem cell research in my mind? I jokingly asked > my son for one of the embroys, he didn't think it was funny. As you can > see I am living both sides of the issue. I can't decide but I am leaning > heavily to stem cell reseach. I don't think anyone really know when life > begins. Are the frozen embroys my grandchildren. Probably not, until > they are put in my daughter-in-law. Please excuse the mistakes. This is > a very emotional isssue for me. i have no idea what m y churches stand is > on this issue. But as i itype this I am ! > covincing > myself that stem cell research is ok. Would I feel this way if ididn't > have PD I really don't know. Sorry this is so long. Don't have any idea > why the type changed. Thank you all for being there and listening. > Marsha > > rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Carole, I think this is definitely one of the objections. They suffer > from > what I call the "fear of Frankenstein syndrome" . The slippery slope > objection which is fed by the Hwang fiasco., movies and books. Also, I > think that mixing it with the abortion issue will make it easier to > overturn > Roe v. Wade. > > Last night I had discussion with my tax guy, a "moderate Republican" who > favors ESCR and a woman's right to choose. I couldn't get a word in, but > he > kept talking about a fetus not being able to benefit from a SS number. I > got the impression he thought we were talking about fetal cells. I don't > think he knew anything about SCNT. He kept saying "life from conception" > was the same as an actual life to opponents of ESCR which I think is their > belief. His younger, cute wife has MS but only had one episode, is doing > well and not on meds. He informed me all people with MS were different, I > told him it was the same with us PWP. maybe if his wife gets worse, he > will > listen more carefully and maybe I am wrong, but lots of people really > don't > know we are talking about cellular "life". > > I still wish some of our List members who favor Bush's policy would speak > up. Otherwise we can only guess. I have argued with 'pro-life" folks who > empathize that a blastocyst is human life even though they shy away from > the term "a' human life or person. They do equate it with adult persons > I'm > thinking because it is the stuff of life and people shouldn't be monkeying > with it, but IVF is OK - it is a miracle from God.. Like the theory of > evolution, I do think the RR in some way think it threatens their > religious > beliefs which I totally do not understand. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Menser" > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1 > > >> This is not my opinion so please don't start an argument with me. >> Sometimes >> the expression "Don't shoot the messenger" seems to apply here. So at the >> risk of getting "shot," for clarification's sake, I think the objection >> of >> a >> lot of a lot of the Religious Right (among other things that they have >> been >> called) is not what ultimately happens to the embryos but what may >> ultimately happen as a result of embryonic experimentation. In order >> words, >> once it begins, where will it lead? At least this is what I have been >> told. >> It applies to both ends of the age spectrum. Don't "euthanize" the >> elderly >> and don't experiment on embryos (two vulnerable and often helpless >> populations) because it will open the door to other things that may have >> more sinister motives and uses. >> >> Disclaimer: Again, I'm just stating what I have gleaned. This is NOT >> necessarily my personal opinion. >> >> Carole M. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amanda Phillips" >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:05 PM >> Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1 >> >> >>>I still don't get it , why is using the surplus for research worse than >>> letting them rot ? >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > > MARSHA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn