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Amanda, the pro-life guy I was debating and whose position I have posted told me "good luck with the courts forcibly seizing embryos" when I asked him where he stood on IVF clinics. I told him nobody ever suggested forcibly seizing embryos, that it was the prerogative of the donor couple whether to destroy them, give them up for "adoption" by another couple, freeze them in perpetituity or donate them for research. He really tried to avoid the issue, I thought. I just don't think people really thought this thing through when they started IVF. Like your sister-in-law said, "what surplus"? He also didn't like me calling blastocysts blobs of undifferentiated cells telling me I was basing that observation on "intuition" not science. I checked out his references and could not find where it said a blastocyst was "a" human being. "Human life" was referenced and the 2nd source referred to "personhood" coming much later I couldn't open the 3rd one, but there was no mention of SCNT or ANT. Leaves me wondering about date of these sources ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Phillips" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Re: 60 Minutes page 3/clarification > There must be a difference between a foetus in a womb and an abandoned > dish > with a small blob of cells in it. > My sister-in-law, who's just turned 50, has two IVF-created sons (my > lovely > nephews), she'll never now use the remaining embryos (even if younger, 2 > kids > was all she intended). No-one has ever asked her wha about the surplus > (she > didn't know there was a surplus). > Couldn't IVF atttendees simply be asked if they're willing to donate the > surplus, like with organ donor cards ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn