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Nick several months ago I saw it with my own eyes on a video on line where Sen Sam Brownback was touting the successes of adult stem cell research. Turner was shaking like a leaf It has also been on sites all over the web which I don't print or keep anymore because my hands are like paws. Its a pretty well established fact. Turner wanted to go through the process again and I don't know what happened on that score. Brownback also had a couple of women with spinal cord injuries who had treatment in Spain or Portugal with nasal cells who had improved bladder function and could stand with assistance but were not cured eitherRay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Oanh" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Why hESCR? Mary Ann > Ray, > > What is your source for Turner's PD returning? > > How many years of good living has Turner had? > > Nick > > rayilynlee wrote: > >> Mary Ann, >> >> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >> movement >> disorder specialist. >> >> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were any >> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >> results. >> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >> brain >> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >> answer. But >> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >> etiology(causes) >> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >> diseases. All >> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >> >> >>> If >>> >>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of bounds" as >>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>> >>> >>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>> issues >>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>> (even >>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>> mechanism of >>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be >>> united in this fight - not divided. >>> >>>> >>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>> >>> >>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>> violent >>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells are >>> not >>> the answer to PD. >>> --------- >>> God bless >>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn