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Ned, you wrote.... It is my understanding that the new web site is for as you call them "the clearly disturbed" Ned I don't wish to prolong the debate on Escr but I find your words tasteless and offensive; and quite childish. Everyone in this group voices their thoughts, opinions annd arguments intelligently; and occasionally some communications become emotive and perhaps subjective because the writer has become so absorbed by the subject they sound off out of frustration. what better place than here! The only time a member should be asked to cease their dialogue is if they blatantly make false statements; especially if it involves a person, irrespective of their position. First a warning, followed by permanent removal, if they disregard the warning. The last thing we should be doing is reducing numbers but quite the opposite. We should be growing it through effective PR, to bring in all those with PD that are currently facing it alone [and their family]. If they don't have the means to fund a PC & modem we, those who can, should look into establishing a recycling equipment list, when we replace a system. If we each paid in $1.00/week I think we could soon have a significant amount. This money could be used for special projects, e.g. database, and PR campaigns; media coverage. This group consists of very intelligent people, who call a spade a spade and who are not prepared to sit and do nothing and just wait for the inevitable. As for the lady who said something like , '' ... if it's only a blob in a dish, it isn't human, so what's the problem...". The problem is it's alive [egg+sperm] albeit invitro, it's the first part of the human form; with it's DNA code that will, if allowed to live become a human being. This has made me think abount IVF Clinics and Sperm banks as having crossed the line from health care to significant businesses; just like Plastic Surgeory. My IVF question. For couples having difficulty conceiving, the solution(I think is usually IVF) But if they can takes eggs and sperm and reimplant several eggs in womb and a live birth takes; after a costly and lengthy exercise; and at times difficult and emotional for the woman - it's not exactly the same as making love - why can't they (?) conceive, etc. naturally. I think the IVF $dollars have stopped them looking. Births too have become a business because more are being delivered by C-section-certainly in the UK. I am a catholic and I have my beliefs but these aside I am concerned about ESCR - and any form of bio tech - because of what it might lead to; and who would control the business because that's what it'll become, a business. I mean no offence. Marco ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn