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Marco I don't think you should give the impression that if the blastocyst is "allowed to live" that is all it takes to become a fetus and maybe a born alive human being. Microscopic undifferentiated cells in a petit dish are not by their own accord going to come out of the petri dish and implant in a womb. I read somewhere that even in natural contraception implantation fails 60% of the time. Surely you understand why there are so many extra IVF embryos. Living human cells, yes, people, no. If you think it is wrong to "play God" with these cells that is fine with me, but we need to accurately present the facts. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "marco de michiel" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Carole/Issues that impact our lives > Ned, > > you wrote.... > > It is my understanding that the new web site is for as you call > them "the clearly disturbed" > > Ned > > > I don't wish to prolong the debate on Escr but I find your words tasteless > and offensive; and quite childish. > Everyone in this group voices their thoughts, opinions annd arguments > intelligently; and occasionally some communications become emotive and > perhaps subjective because the writer has become so absorbed by the > subject > they sound off out of frustration. what better place than here! The only > time a member should be asked to cease their dialogue is if they blatantly > make false statements; especially if it involves a person, irrespective of > their position. First a warning, followed by permanent removal, if they > disregard the warning. The last thing we should be doing is reducing > numbers > but quite the opposite. We should be growing it through effective PR, to > bring in all those with PD that are currently facing it alone [and their > family]. If they don't have the means to fund a PC & modem we, those who > can, should look into establishing a recycling equipment list, when we > replace a system. If we each paid in $1.00/week I think we could soon have > a > significant amount. This money could be used for special projects, e.g. > database, and PR campaigns; media coverage. This group consists of very > intelligent people, who call a spade a spade and who are not prepared to > sit > and do nothing and just wait for the inevitable. > > As for the lady who said something like , '' ... if it's only a blob in a > dish, it isn't human, so what's the problem...". The problem is it's alive > [egg+sperm] albeit invitro, it's the first part of the human form; with > it's > DNA code that will, if allowed to live become a human being. This has made > me think abount IVF Clinics and Sperm banks as having crossed the line > from > health care to significant businesses; just like Plastic Surgeory. My IVF > question. For couples having difficulty conceiving, the solution(I think > is > usually IVF) But if they can takes eggs and sperm and reimplant several > eggs > in > womb and a live birth takes; after a costly and lengthy exercise; and at > times difficult and > emotional for the woman - it's not exactly the same as making love - why > can't they (?) conceive, etc. naturally. I > think the IVF $dollars have stopped them looking. Births too have become a > business because more are being delivered > by C-section-certainly in the UK. > > I am a catholic and I have my beliefs but these aside I am concerned about > ESCR - and any form of bio tech - because of what > it might lead to; and who would control the business because that's what > it'll become, a business. > > I mean no offence. > > Marco > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn