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On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck facilitated the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw? it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are they being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world over flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to believe - that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world, because... they would rather kill embryos? it boggles the mind. http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676 Nick & Oanh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Ray, What is your source for Turner's PD returning? How many years of good living has Turner had? Nick rayilynlee wrote: > Mary Ann, > > the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS > movement > disorder specialist. > > As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were any > yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous > results. > Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult > brain > cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the > answer. But > hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the > etiology(causes) > of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other > diseases. All > kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ann Ryan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann > > >> If >> >>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of bounds" as >>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >> >> >> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >> issues >> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >> (even >> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >> mechanism of >> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be >> united in this fight - not divided. >> >>> >>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >> >> >> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >> violent >> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells are >> not >> the answer to PD. >> --------- >> God bless >> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn http://mail.yahoo.com