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nick, I think I explained I don't keep stuff that is old news because I can't find it due to my hands being like paws. I think sometime around the time I went online in 2000 I read about a bad fetal cell implant experiment. Dr. Charles Meyer,on our List, says he was in a study where participants got dyskinesias.from fetal cell implants, why don't you email him? I'm sure he knows more about it than I do Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Oanh" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: Re: Why hESCR? Mary Ann > Ray, > > I remember going to a Parkie symposium 7-8 years ago, where Dr. Levesque > showed movies of a couple of his patients that had received brain > injections of fetal brain cells. The patients had almost a complete > recovery from pd. > > Ethical problems and the inability to get enough fresh fetal cells, 5-10 > fetuses required for one patient, stopped him from continuing. > > What fetal cell experiment had disasterous results? > > Nick Drozdowski > caregiver for Oanh, 15 years pd > >> >> >> rayilynlee wrote: >> >>> Mary Ann, >>> >>> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >>> movement >>> disorder specialist. >>> >>> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were >>> any >>> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >>> results. >>> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >>> brain >>> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >>> answer. But >>> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >>> etiology(causes) >>> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >>> diseases. All >>> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >>> >>> >>>> If >>>> >>>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of bounds" as >>>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >>>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>>> issues >>>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>>> (even >>>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>>> mechanism of >>>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need >>>> to be >>>> united in this fight - not divided. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>>> violent >>>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells >>>> are >>>> not >>>> the answer to PD. >>>> --------- >>>> God bless >>>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: >>>> 2/21/2006 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn