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Thanks Mackenzie for providing the testimony. It should be noted that Turner is/was in his 40's. I was 67 when I had DBSs. The aging process is not a factor on our side when fighting PD progression. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: turner's 2004 senate testimony > On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as > evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is > being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck facilitated > the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw? > > it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out > there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are they > being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world over > flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to believe - > that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a > miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world, because... > they would rather kill embryos? > > it boggles the mind. > > http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676 > > Nick & Oanh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Ray, > > What is your source for Turner's PD returning? > > How many years of good living has Turner had? > > Nick > > rayilynlee wrote: > >> Mary Ann, >> >> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >> movement >> disorder specialist. >> >> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were any >> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >> results. >> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >> brain >> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >> answer. But >> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >> etiology(causes) >> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >> diseases. All >> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >> >> >>> If >>> >>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of bounds" as >>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>> >>> >>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>> issues >>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>> (even >>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>> mechanism of >>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be >>> united in this fight - not divided. >>> >>>> >>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>> >>> >>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>> violent >>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells are >>> not >>> the answer to PD. >>> --------- >>> God bless >>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn