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Mackenzie, All I "saw" was Turner himself a couple of years ago, shaking like a leaf. He wanted Dr. L to do the procedure again. It would be interesting to know what happened to him. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Levesque's webpage > soooooo.... has anyone seen the results of his phase I trial, i wonder? > rhetorical question, i think - unless someone *has* seen them... > > rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: His webpage said a Phase 2 study > is in progress but no new participants are > being accepted. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick & Oanh" > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: source of turner's 2004 senate testimony > > >>I believe the reason that ASCs are not being used to treat PD, a la Dr. >> Levesque, is that the procedure is to darn difficult (read Costly). Dr. >> L took a biopsy from Turner's brain, filtered out the few neural stem >> cells, and cultured them for 9 months in order to have enough to >> transplant into Turner's brain. >> >> Dr. L said in 04, and I believe earlier, like 02, that he was preparing >> a phase 2 study. Well, 4 years later, his web page states that the >> study is on hold by the FDA until he has a processing system that meets >> GMP (good manufacturing procedures). His company is either low on cash, >> or he is finding it very difficult to meet GMP, or he figures that not >> many will pay the big bucks to have the procedure done on them, >> considering it may only last 4 years more or less. >> >> Dr. L's company is at: http://www.neurogeneration.com/ >> >> Nick >> >> rayilynlee wrote: >> >>> Thanks Mackenzie for providing the testimony. It should be noted that >>> Turner is/was in his 40's. I was 67 when I had DBSs. The aging >>> process is >>> not a factor on our side when fighting PD progression. >>> Ray >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "mackenzie" >>> To: > >>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:29 PM >>> Subject: turner's 2004 senate testimony >>> >>> >>>> On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as >>>> evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is >>>> being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck >>>> facilitated >>>> the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw? >>>> >>>> it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out >>>> there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are >>>> they >>>> being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world >>>> over >>>> flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to >>>> believe - >>>> that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a >>>> miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world, >>>> because... >>>> they would rather kill embryos? >>>> >>>> it boggles the mind. >>>> >>>> http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676 >>>> >>>> Nick & Oanh wrote: >>>> Ray, >>>> >>>> What is your source for Turner's PD returning? >>>> >>>> How many years of good living has Turner had? >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> rayilynlee wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mary Ann, >>>>> >>>>> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >>>>> movement >>>>> disorder specialist. >>>>> >>>>> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were >>>>> any >>>>> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >>>>> results. >>>>> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >>>>> brain >>>>> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >>>>> answer. But >>>>> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >>>>> etiology(causes) >>>>> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >>>>> diseases. All >>>>> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" >>>>> To: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If >>>>>> >>>>>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of >>>>>>> bounds" as >>>>>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about >>>>>> people's >>>>>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>>>>> issues >>>>>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>>>>> (even >>>>>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>>>>> mechanism of >>>>>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to >>>>>> be >>>>>> united in this fight - not divided. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>>>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>>>>> violent >>>>>> dyskinesia that occurred. 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