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I believe the reason that ASCs are not being used to treat PD, a la Dr. Levesque, is that the procedure is to darn difficult (read Costly). Dr. L took a biopsy from Turner's brain, filtered out the few neural stem cells, and cultured them for 9 months in order to have enough to transplant into Turner's brain. Dr. L said in 04, and I believe earlier, like 02, that he was preparing a phase 2 study. Well, 4 years later, his web page states that the study is on hold by the FDA until he has a processing system that meets GMP (good manufacturing procedures). His company is either low on cash, or he is finding it very difficult to meet GMP, or he figures that not many will pay the big bucks to have the procedure done on them, considering it may only last 4 years more or less. Dr. L's company is at: http://www.neurogeneration.com/ Nick rayilynlee wrote: > Thanks Mackenzie for providing the testimony. It should be noted that > Turner is/was in his 40's. I was 67 when I had DBSs. The aging > process is > not a factor on our side when fighting PD progression. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:29 PM > Subject: turner's 2004 senate testimony > > >> On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as >> evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is >> being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck >> facilitated >> the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw? >> >> it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out >> there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are >> they >> being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world >> over >> flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to believe - >> that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a >> miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world, >> because... >> they would rather kill embryos? >> >> it boggles the mind. >> >> http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676 >> >> Nick & Oanh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Ray, >> >> What is your source for Turner's PD returning? >> >> How many years of good living has Turner had? >> >> Nick >> >> rayilynlee wrote: >> >>> Mary Ann, >>> >>> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >>> movement >>> disorder specialist. >>> >>> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were >>> any >>> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >>> results. >>> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >>> brain >>> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >>> answer. But >>> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >>> etiology(causes) >>> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >>> diseases. All >>> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" >>> To: >> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >>> >>> >>>> If >>>> >>>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of >>>>> bounds" as >>>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >>>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>>> issues >>>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>>> (even >>>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>>> mechanism of >>>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be >>>> united in this fight - not divided. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>>> violent >>>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells >>>> are >>>> not >>>> the answer to PD. >>>> --------- >>>> God bless >>>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: >>>> 2/21/2006 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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