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soooooo.... has anyone seen the results of his phase I trial, i wonder? rhetorical question, i think - unless someone *has* seen them... rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: His webpage said a Phase 2 study is in progress but no new participants are being accepted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Oanh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Re: source of turner's 2004 senate testimony >I believe the reason that ASCs are not being used to treat PD, a la Dr. > Levesque, is that the procedure is to darn difficult (read Costly). Dr. > L took a biopsy from Turner's brain, filtered out the few neural stem > cells, and cultured them for 9 months in order to have enough to > transplant into Turner's brain. > > Dr. L said in 04, and I believe earlier, like 02, that he was preparing > a phase 2 study. Well, 4 years later, his web page states that the > study is on hold by the FDA until he has a processing system that meets > GMP (good manufacturing procedures). His company is either low on cash, > or he is finding it very difficult to meet GMP, or he figures that not > many will pay the big bucks to have the procedure done on them, > considering it may only last 4 years more or less. > > Dr. L's company is at: http://www.neurogeneration.com/ > > Nick > > rayilynlee wrote: > >> Thanks Mackenzie for providing the testimony. It should be noted that >> Turner is/was in his 40's. I was 67 when I had DBSs. The aging >> process is >> not a factor on our side when fighting PD progression. >> Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mackenzie" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:29 PM >> Subject: turner's 2004 senate testimony >> >> >>> On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as >>> evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is >>> being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck >>> facilitated >>> the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw? >>> >>> it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out >>> there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are >>> they >>> being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world >>> over >>> flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to believe - >>> that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a >>> miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world, >>> because... >>> they would rather kill embryos? >>> >>> it boggles the mind. >>> >>> http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676 >>> >>> Nick & Oanh wrote: >>> Ray, >>> >>> What is your source for Turner's PD returning? >>> >>> How many years of good living has Turner had? >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> rayilynlee wrote: >>> >>>> Mary Ann, >>>> >>>> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS >>>> movement >>>> disorder specialist. >>>> >>>> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were >>>> any >>>> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous >>>> results. >>>> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult >>>> brain >>>> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the >>>> answer. But >>>> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the >>>> etiology(causes) >>>> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other >>>> diseases. All >>>> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" >>>> To: >>> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann >>>> >>>> >>>>> If >>>>> >>>>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of >>>>>> bounds" as >>>>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's >>>>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical >>>>> issues >>>>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list >>>>> (even >>>>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and >>>>> mechanism of >>>>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be >>>>> united in this fight - not divided. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for >>>>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting >>>>> violent >>>>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells >>>>> are >>>>> not >>>>> the answer to PD. >>>>> --------- >>>>> God bless >>>>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: >>>>> 2/21/2006 >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? 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