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A few of you, like me, are confused about this issue. Here is what I think I know: What do you know about it? Brownback's and Santorum's S3504 the fetal farms prohibition won't hurt because there are none and no scientist proposes growing fetal tissue for research. It's a meaningless kind of "elephant insurance" sop to their base. Protection of embryos S2754 is for ASCR, ANT and gene biopsy. S2754 also contains $ for ASCR I think. The problem as I understand it is that all 3 bills have to be passed and some of the religious right oppose altered nuclear transfer where an embryo is disabled and prevented from implanting and gene biopsy takes a cell like in IVF and what do you do with the embryos that are not destroyed by either of these 2 processes?. Also "getting around the destruction of embryos opposition" is very new research. Frist had to get unanimous consent to bring it up, but Senator Coburn, the one senator who opposes compromise has dropped his opposition to letting it come to a vote, which requires 60 votes and they have 65 or 67. Guess we'll have to wait till the Senate returns at 2PM July 10 from their vacation. They are not going to make it easy for us. S471 only applies to leftover IVF embryos, it doesn't cover SCNT If the package passes Bush will no doubt veto S471 as he has promised. I guess a crumb is a "victory". Not in our lifetimes, but someday in the future science will prevail. Galileo had to wait several centuries for a posthumas apology and vindication. Who are we to expect so much? Ray ----- Original Message ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn