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thanks Linda, this is just what I was looking for. Amazing, all the good that has been derived. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Fetal tissue/vaccine connection/Old Enough to Remember; Young Enough to Learn Here's two sources on use of fetal tissue to develop polio vaccine and other treatments. Linda Fetal Research and Applications: A Conference Summary (1994) Institute of Medicine p. 4-9 http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309051762/html/4.html "Fetal research involves both invasive and noninvasive techniques (some of which are no longer used) and has led to improved techniques of in vitro fertilization and embryo transfer, and to major advances in the diagnosis and treatment of conditions that threaten the survival of fetuses and pregnant women. Some of these include tests of efficacy of rubella (German measles) vaccine; detection and treatment of Rh incompatibility (an immune system mismatch between the mother and fetus); development of diagnostic techniques including amniocentesis, ultrasonography, and chorionic villi sampling; detection of genetic and metabolic diseases in the fetus and assessment of other developmental problems, including fetal lung immaturity; and development of better techniques for obstetrical anesthesia and treatment of maternal hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes." "...It is interesting that fetal tissue research has produced one of the major medical breakthroughs of our time, the development of polio vaccine through the use of fetal cell lines in the 1950s, but also some of greatest current controversy about the use of such cells for transplantation. " And from the Un. of Nebraska Fetal tissue fact sheet http://www.unmc.edu/fetalcellresearch/factsheet.htm "Research using fetal cells has been conducted nationally since the 1930s. For example, in 1954, human fetal cells were instrumental in the development of the polio vaccine. Most hospital diagnostic virology labs use cell lines derived from an aborted fetus as a diagnostic tool in identifying certain viral infections. These infections include viruses that cause influenza, diarrhea, encephalitis, meningitis and pneumonia. Other fetal cell lines have been used to grow the virus used for vaccines to prevent hepatitis A, chicken pox and rubella (German measles)." -- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Arthur Sometime ago I got into an online debate with a fellow who opposed ESCR. He would not let his children be vaccinated for the usual childhood diseases, measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc., because we both agreed, aborted fetal tissue was used in the development of these vaccines. I thought this was "common knowledge" so I can't substantiate it. Someone on this List (no longer on List) who I trusted attested to me about the "aborted fetal tissue" and vaccine connection several years ago which is why I didn't question the polio connection.. Maybe someone else knows for sure. Your cousin's finding that this info is mainly available on religious sites is interesting. Why would they lie about this? Their kids get sick too. Maybe its the abortion issue. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: Old Enough to Remember; Young Enough to Learn > Rayilyn, > > You post so much good material that it is often difficult to digest > it all. The recent post concerning polio includes what I consider to > be a "clincher" argument for stem cell research. Let me repeat two > paragraphs of that post in hopes that more "skimmers," such as I > usually am, will pick it up and possibly read the entire editorial: > >>I was surprised. I never knew that the initial research that ultimately >>led >>to the defeat of polio was based upon experiments on aborted fetal tissue. >>I wonder. To what degree is the "religious right" aware? And if they were >>to become aware, would that awareness manifest as some religious uprising >>against the use of polio vaccine? Would some parents refuse to get their >>children vaccinated as a form of protest? > >>Almost no one today refuses polio vaccination for their children on the >>grounds that they object to the methods used in the first experiments. I >>would point out that even President Bush has been willing to use the >>harmless downstream results of research to which he objects." > > > > At 10:35 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote: >>#230 Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - GUEST EDITORIAL: by Jeff Eisen, from >>his website at: www.stemcellpage.com > (The editorial may also be found on this website, but dated 09-20- 06.) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn