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Ray, when we were discussing euthanasia, you clearly wrote that you were pro-choice. Now, I certainly didn't mean to offend you. I respect your pro-choice stance and certainly would not criticize you for it. I was merely pointing that your major premise and mine, in that arena of stem cell research, are totally different. It was meant to be a point for discussion, not derision. If you are not pro-choice than I apologize. If you are then the syllogism should not be offensive to you. ------------ Mary Ann www.bentwillowfarm.org > "The abortion of a fetus is problematic; therapeutic cloning is not." > > This is a statement I made that a friend of mine and I found in the PIEN > archives wherein I state over and over again that I have never encouraged > anyone to have an abortion, but don't like folks confusing abortion with > ESCR. There are also some discussions I had with people who were > explaining > the Jewish position on abortion with me. > > One thing that is great about emailing is that there is a record. If > anyone > wants to follow these ridiculous accusations go to the archives. > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: Cells are not people > > >> Oh, yes I do. You shared them with this list once. Remember, Ray, I've >> been >> here a long time. >> ------- >> Mary Ann >> www.bentwillowfarm.org >> Subject: Re: Cells are not people >> >> >>> Mary Ann, you have no idea what my opinions on abortion are. >>> Ray >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: Cells are not people >>> >>> >>>> Ray, the major premise that formulates the logic for both of us on this >>>> issue is different. >>>> >>>> You think that abortion is Ok. I don't. So.....the syllogism goes >>>> something >>>> like this: >>>> >>>> Ray: >>>> Aborting a fetus is OK >>>> Embryos are the first stage of fetal development >>>> Therefore, destroying embryos is OK. >>>> >>>> Me: >>>> Aborting a fetus is not OK >>>> Embryos are the first stage of fetal development >>>> Therefore, destroying embryos is not OK >>>> >>>> Pro-choice folks will *never* understand why pro-life folks have taken >>>> a >>>> stand on this issue and vice versa. We are oceans apart. >>>> >>>> I stood on the fence on this issue until I read TIME magazine's report >>>> on >>>> stem cell research that stated, "Extracting knowledge from embryos that >>>> would otherwise be wasted is one thing, but scientists admit that >>>> moving >>>> forward would require a much larger supply of fresh, healthy embryos >>>> than >>>> fertility clinics could ever provide." (TIME, Aug. 7, 2006) >>>> >>>> That single statement pulled me off the fence. >>>> ------------ >>>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >>>> 10/4/2006 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: >>> 10/6/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn