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"afterwards, i began to think about his statement about the car and wondered how such an educated man could use such a stupid phrase. was he trying to tell me that if a wheel, a tranmission and a gas tank were in the garage that this would qualify as a "car?" Joan's wheel, transmission, and gas tank analogy is about the best I have ever heard. I would only add that with ESCR you don't even have "parts" but more of a "plan"or blueprint. This is what convinces me that ESCR falls within the category of blood transfusions, organ transplants, etc. Maybe opponents of ESCR don't like man interferring with the "plan". Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Snyder" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: Re: cells vs. personhood i went into visit my neuro several weeks ago. little did i realize that i was walking into an ambush. the nurse there has always been kind, patient and particularly interested in my doings for pd, which now includes working politcally to get stem cell legislation passed. i thought that she was on my side with all of her talk of support and enthusiasm about what i do. anyway, when i mentioned to this nurse about me addressing the democratic unity dinner to speak for phil hare and about the travisty george bush leveled against us all by vetoing expanded stem cell research, she offered the name of a doctor whom i should contact in preparing my speech. she said that this man had studied this issue for over 10 yrs and was the leading expert in this field. i gratefully took down his name & number & called the next day. as soon as i told this doctor my name, he began this relentless tirade about how wrong my position is and how contrary to the Catholic faith my beliefs are. as he started in, i began to argue back but it soon became apparant to me that this man was dead set in his beliefs and no amout of rational discussion would deter him from his stand. and his stand was the only one that was right and moral and just. i was to branded a sinner and that was that. he did use one particular anology several times, tho. and this really stuck in my head. he said: "a car is still a car wether it is parked in the garage or not." this seemed to me to be the dumbest statement one could possibly make. he used it to imply that an embryo is a person whether it is parked in the womb or not." i tried very hard to get a word in edgewise but to no avial, so i politely thanked him and hung up on him in mid-sentance. afterwards, i began to think about his statement about the car and wondered how such an educated man could use such a stupid phrase. was he trying to tell me that if a wheel, a tranmission and a gas tank were in the garage that this would qualify as a "car?" i don't believe that this man would listen to reason if he was spoon fed it. a sad but true lesson to be learned from this; don't ever assume that because a person is supportive about your work, look out for those hidden ambushes! -- Joan Blessington Snyder 54/16 [log in to unmask] www.calipso-pd.org “Hang tough……..no way through it but to do it.” Chris in the Morning Northern Exposure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn