As Russ mentioned, this fascinating discussion has taken off just when most of us teacher-types are buried with end of term responsibilities--so I've been paying attention but waiting for a moment to gather my wits in order to contribute my 2 cents. I love hearing about the new locations of inkshedding (as in Natasha and Michael and Charlotte's recent postings). One quick thought for Charlotte-- I find that my Asian students like inkshedding precisely *because* it does give them time to collect their thoughts and get those thoughts sketched out on the page (that is, they can join the discussion without having to compete orally with other quick-talking students). There is lots of discussion going on in my classes that is not spoken because students regularly bring inksheds to class based on what we've read or what we're working on and then exchange and comment on them (often one person in a group will take all the inksheds home, comment on them, and bring them back to the next class). I've always found compelling Russ's point (in "What is Inkshedding") that inkshedding is one way to allow every single person in the room to participate in a discussion--and they can all do so at once (they couldn't all talk at once--well, they could, but it wouldn't foster much communication). Often the students you never hear from in oral discussions reveal themsevles in written discussions to be more thoughtful and attentive and creative than their chattier companions. It's one reason I could never go back to teaching without inkshedding--when I think of all the smart and insightful and surprising things I would never have heard from my students if I hadn't asked them to inkshed, I get the shudders! So, one big Inkshed community for me consists of all my past students (well, since 1989), with whom I share a history of intense inkshedding and reading each other's writing. A big part of the value of inkshedding for me is the way that it allows blocked and unhappy student writers to find their voices in the academic community through a fairly risk-free, low-stakes form of public writing practice (the "public" part of that equation is so important for their growing confidence as writers). I think that, like meditation or daily exercise, inkshedding is discipline that one does even when one doesn't particularly feel like it, in the faith that the cumulative impact will do one nothing but good. So I guess, on those grounds, I would disagree with Russ's elimination of some of Doug's practices from the category of inkshedding--Russ felt that ungraded assignments and peer-reviewed writing weren't really inkshedding because the reader was expected "to evaluate and help rather than to engage." Not only would I argue that those things aren't mutually exclusive, I'd argue that one can *only* truly be of any help if one *engages* seriously with a piece of writing first, with what it says. When my students are inkshedding, they're aware that it's an ungraded assignment, but they're not reading each other's inksheds in order to help improve the writing as writing--as Russ describes what he thinks qualifies as an inkshed-- "it's read for what it says and is written with the knowledge that that's going to happen." They read and comment on each other's inksheds to engage with the content (maybe I'm wrong to call this peer review, but it seems the most important form of peer review to me). As Russ puts it, "the crucial thing about inkshedding is its social embeddedness -- that is, that the writing carries immediate, felt rhetorical force"--so I share his view that completely private freewriting is something quite different. The challenge for me is working hard to create situations in which the assigned inkshedding is felt to have that "immediate rhetorical force," where the community of learners in the classroom feel that the work we're doing together is important and that the inkshedding is contributing to that work. But I'm committed enough to the practice of inkshedding and certain enough of its value that I do require it (so it's definitely an ungraded assignment). I guess I'd define the inkshed community as being pretty huge--it would include for me everyone who had ever attended an Inkshed conference or paid dues to receive the newsletter, everyone who had ever been on the listserv, and then every student of anyone in those preceding categories who had incorporated inkshedding into their teaching practices. And we should probably include as well people who don't use the term "inkshed" but who practice public, focused freewriting as a form of writing-to-learn or exploratory writing in their teaching (because even if Elbow defines pure freewriting as private, lots of people have students share rough freewritten bits of writing-to-learn in their classrooms, as long as the students know ahead of time that the writing isn't going to be private). Once you include that last group, you probably have to include almost everyone who has gone through the National Writing Project in the states and all of their students. . . So I'm not worried about the future of inkshedding at all, whatever someone may call it, in any of its myriad forms. How dues-paying members of Inkshed (I'm probably late with my dues, I'm suddenly realizing, writing that!) and the practice of inkshedding inter-relate at this point (more than 2 decades after the first Inkshed conference) is something I'm hoping Miriam's thesis will shed light on. Meanwhile, even in spite of the huge community I've described aove, I just want to say how lonely and isolated I would feel in my work without this particular Inkshed community--as an online presence especially. Betsy At 12:39 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote: >I used inkshedding this fall with my Management students, having them >freewite to a quote and then pass their texts on for others to inkshed on. >They loved it! They begged me to let them do it again... > >Something I have been thinking about as concerns inkshedding and freewriting >is how they look from other cultural perspectives. Recently, one of my >mainland Chinese students did an oral on communication in China. Britton's >"shaping at the point of utterance" was not what he was talking about. >Instead, he said that often we think Asians are too quiet in the classroom. >This, he said, was because in Canada we rush into communication and talk at >a fast clip. In China, apparently, the rhythm is much slower in that >somebody will say a couple of sentences followed by a pause to think. Then >somebody else will say a couple of sentence followed by another pause to >think. > >Interestingly he said that in Canada silence is embarrassing, but in China >it is polite and shows that some one is taking your communication seriously. > >Our freewriting seems to approximate how we communicate verbally in the >West, thinking on the fly. We are used to our fast repartee, and it does >seem to work, at least most of the time, provided the foot doesn't land in >the mouth too often. But what about the Chinese-are-thinking approach? And >where does inkshedding fit in to all of this? Bye, Charlotte > > >On 12/14/06 10:03 AM, "Russ Hunt" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > One further thing from me, about "editing" . . . > > > >> I'm intrigued that you felt the need to edit before sending. > > > > I _always_ edit. I even edit pen-and-paper inksheds, on the > > fly. I'm amazed that anybody can separate composing from editing > > (I believe I edit as I speak, and I think in fact everybody > > does: that that's what Jimmy Britton meant by "shaping at the > > point of utterance"). I certainly always edit email as it gets > > composed. > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to > [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, > write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] > >For the list archives and information about the organization, > its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to > http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-