One further thing from me, about "editing" . . . > I'm intrigued that you felt the need to edit before sending. I _always_ edit. I even edit pen-and-paper inksheds, on the fly. I'm amazed that anybody can separate composing from editing (I believe I edit as I speak, and I think in fact everybody does: that that's what Jimmy Britton meant by "shaping at the point of utterance"). I certainly always edit email as it gets composed. (An example: I just went back and added the first "that" to the parenthetical remark, to make it clearer that I _think_ that's what Britton said, and make it clear that what I'm saying may be peculiar about me, and that maybe others think differently. I don't know how to stop doing that.) Somewhere at the heart of our different views of inkshedding, I think, is a disparity of understanding about spontaneity and authenticity: Peter Elbow thinks (I think) that if you could just get rid of that internal censor, and let the discourse flow, you'd find things you wouldn't find otherwise: hence, freewriting . . . but when we started using inkshedding, we wanted there to be "back pressure" on what was being written; we thought that the expectation that the text needed to be clear to others would help the writer to use text as a tool to think with. I also think that somewhere in here is a residual tendency to think (tacitly) of editing as "fixing," as getting the surface less embarrassing, rather than thinking of it as getting what we're saying right. -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-