I know I don't often contribute to the listserve, but I always keep abreast. This issue, though, seems an important one to me. Though there may be multiple umbrellas for "people concerned with writing" to come under, Inkshed is unique in that it invites English department people, writing center people, writing program people, even people from business and government, and /people from education/ to be a part if they choose. It is partly this cross-fertilization that makes Inkshed a community unlike others. Although CCCCs has an implicit invitation to educationalists (though we are all educationalists), I think Inkshed is more explicit (and smaller and Canadian - both good things). The name of the organization (Canadian Association for the Study of Language and /Learning/ - notice it's language, not writing) seems to me to capture the group because we are all interested in how are people learn and use language. I have always felt that stuff I wanted to present at Inkshed would be accepted, listened to seriously, even though it might be about Kindergarteners, or middle school children, or adults. Since the relative demise of the Canadian Council of Teachers of English Language Arts (or at least it's profile), there are few place where educators in Canada can discuss language learning. The numbers at the Manitoba conference were somewhat disappointing, but I think people see Manitoba as a "not very interesting place" to go (though I think that's not true). However, I don't see that as a trend - a glitch perhaps. I think Tanya is right, 195 people on the listserve indicates a lively community. Let's wait until the body is cold before we hold the funeral. Cheers stan -- stan straw professor of language & literacy 270 education bldg university of manitoba winnipeg, manitoba R3T 2N2 phone: 204-474-9074 fax: 204-474-7550 email: [log in to unmask] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-