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Coleus, Please remain civil. Calling people baby-killers won't help anyone with Parkinson's and won't save any babies either. Over two-thirds of Americans support embryonic stem cell research. It is important to remember that embryonic stem cell research uses unwanted cells from fertility clinics that would otherwise be thrown away. A little reality check: human embryonic stem cells were first isolated in November, 1998. The Bush administration all but shut down federal funding for human ESCR in 2000; it's unreasonable to expect research to have progressed very far in the intervening period. But if funding hadn't been banned, we'd either be much closer to cures, or much closer to ending this interminable debate. The only widespread adult stem cell treatments are bone marrow transplants. Adult stem cells undoubtedly hold promise, but that is not a justification to stop working with embryonic stem cells. Embryonic cells have unique properties that suggest they might provide cures where adult stem cells will not. Just a little food for thought: the adult stem cells you think it is OK to "play god" with have all the pieces necessary to grow up into cute little babies too. -Archie On 12/6/06, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: coleus fr > To: rayilynlee ; [log in to unmask] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Rayilyn's letter to Dennnis Turner PART I > > > Rayilyn Brown is in favor of harvesting babies for their parts to treat > PD patients. Fetal cells from aborted babies already killed many pd > patients, they grew bone in their brains. Putting embryonic stem cells in > pd patients will do the same thing. > > animal experimentation in escr started in 1981 and to this date, with NO > human clinical trials while adult stem cell research has been successful for > many years. Experimenting on Humans, made in God's image, in the embryonic > stage is an aberration. the end does not justify the means. coleus_Fr > > > Rayilyn Brown > Surprise AZ > [log in to unmask] > > rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Willocks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:11 AM > Subject: Rayilyn's letter to Dennnis Turner PART I > > > > Rayilyn > > I read your letter to Dennis Turner posted on the listserv on > 12/3/06. It > > concerned the resurfacing of the story of Mr. Turner's experience > with the > > use of autologous cell implantation (i.e. using ones own cells to > correct > > Turner's PD). The example of Turner's experience is why we must be > so > > very > > careful not to get too excited about research projects, especially > those > > not > > properly designed. I would like to comment on Turner's story. IT IS > SO > > LONG THAT I PLAN TO GIVE IT IN TWO PARTS. > > > > In November, 2002 and December, 2003 ,Grassroots Connection editors > (GRC - > > an independent website on PD advocacy)and others interviewed Dr. > Levesque > > on two occasions concerning Turner's surgery. At that time Dr. > Levesque > > was > > anxious to get the word out about Dennis Turner's "miraculous" > recovery > > from > > advanced Parkinson's. Turner had shown an 80-90% improvement in his > > symptoms holding its own 3 years post-op. That, my friends, even if > for > > but > > 1 year is something to write home about! (To read the interviews, go > to > > www.grassrootsconnection.com then click on Dr. Michel Levesque under > > "Voices > > to Inspire." > > > > At the time of the interview there were several red flags that went > up. > > First of all, this was a study of one person only. It doesn't take a > > rocket > > scientist to know that the effects of a procedure for one only > person is > > not > > a reliable way to measure the success of a treatment. Those who > > interviewed > > Levesque at the time asked what criteria were needed to participate > in the > > next trials of this astounding discovery. His answer raised our > brows. > > Phase II criteria disqualifies one if prior brain surgery had been > done, > > because the auologous cells were initially removed from Turner > during a > > DBS > > procedure. Hmmm? I am wondering how they retrieve one's own brain > cells > > to > > culture and implant? > > > > GRC also asked about the DBS - how they could determine if the DBS > or the > > cell implantation was responsible for Turner's improvement. Dr. > Levesque > > told us that Turner was able to function without turning on the > > stimulator. > > He had this to say: > > " . . .the initial procedure was only approved to access the tissue > from > > the > > individual's brain if we were to perform a DBS (Deep Brain > Stimulation) > > procedure. That is how we were able to access and harvest some of > his own > > brain cells. His device has now been turned off for the last 2-3 > years, > > and > > can obviously be removed now. His medication has also been cut > almost by > > half. He was the first candidate to use this therapy using the same > > criteria used for transplantation of fetal tissue." But today he has > > returned to Parkinson's symptoms consistent with advancing > Parkinson's. > > TO BE CONTINUED > > Peggy > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > [log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn