Coleus, why are you speaking so dishonestly for me? Everyone who knows me is clear about my position. I don't believe like you do that cells are babies. Instead of being so desperate, why don't you educate yourself? Embryonic or any kind of stem cells may not yield PD treatments but they might enable us to understand the etiology of PD. I tend to agree with Peggy Willocks assessment of the nature of "cures: Read both Parts 1 and II that I provided you. Signing my name to the email below must be some kind of crime.
Rayilyn Brown
Surprise AZ
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From: coleus fr
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Subject: Re: Fw: Rayilyn's letter to Dennnis Turner PART I
Rayilyn Brown is in favor of harvesting babies for their parts to treat PD patients. Fetal cells from aborted babies already killed many pd patients, they grew bone in their brains. Putting embryonic stem cells in pd patients will do the same thing.
animal experimentation in escr started in 1981 and to this date, with NO human clinical trials while adult stem cell research has been successful for many years. Experimenting on Humans, made in God's image, in the embryonic stage is an aberration. the end does not justify the means. coleus_Fr
Rayilyn Brown
Surprise AZ
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rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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From: "Peggy Willocks"
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Rayilyn's letter to Dennnis Turner PART I
> Rayilyn
> I read your letter to Dennis Turner posted on the listserv on 12/3/06. It
> concerned the resurfacing of the story of Mr. Turner's experience with the
> use of autologous cell implantation (i.e. using ones own cells to correct
> Turner's PD). The example of Turner's experience is why we must be so
> very
> careful not to get too excited about research projects, especially those
> not
> properly designed. I would like to comment on Turner's story. IT IS SO
> LONG THAT I PLAN TO GIVE IT IN TWO PARTS.
>
> In November, 2002 and December, 2003 ,Grassroots Connection editors (GRC -
> an independent website on PD advocacy)and others interviewed Dr. Levesque
> on two occasions concerning Turner's surgery. At that time Dr. Levesque
> was
> anxious to get the word out about Dennis Turner's "miraculous" recovery
> from
> advanced Parkinson's. Turner had shown an 80-90% improvement in his
> symptoms holding its own 3 years post-op. That, my friends, even if for
> but
> 1 year is something to write home about! (To read the interviews, go to
> www.grassrootsconnection.com then click on Dr. Michel Levesque under
> "Voices
> to Inspire."
>
> At the time of the interview there were several red flags that went up.
> First of all, this was a study of one person only. It doesn't take a
> rocket
> scientist to know that the effects of a procedure for one only person is
> not
> a reliable way to measure the success of a treatment. Those who
> interviewed
> Levesque at the time asked what criteria were needed to participate in the
> next trials of this astounding discovery. His answer raised our brows.
> Phase II criteria disqualifies one if prior brain surgery had been done,
> because the auologous cells were initially removed from Turner during a
> DBS
> procedure. Hmmm? I am wondering how they retrieve one's own brain cells
> to
> culture and implant?
>
> GRC also asked about the DBS - how they could determine if the DBS or the
> cell implantation was responsible for Turner's improvement. Dr. Levesque
> told us that Turner was able to function without turning on the
> stimulator.
> He had this to say:
> " . . .the initial procedure was only approved to access the tissue from
> the
> individual's brain if we were to perform a DBS (Deep Brain Stimulation)
> procedure. That is how we were able to access and harvest some of his own
> brain cells. His device has now been turned off for the last 2-3 years,
> and
> can obviously be removed now. His medication has also been cut almost by
> half. He was the first candidate to use this therapy using the same
> criteria used for transplantation of fetal tissue." But today he has
> returned to Parkinson's symptoms consistent with advancing Parkinson's.
> TO BE CONTINUED
> Peggy
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