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With apologies for not being able to spell 'Northern'! The actual ref. is Philippa M. Hoskin, 'The Accounts of the Medieval Paternoster Gild of York', Northern History Vol. 44 No. 1 (March 2007), pages 7-33. For those with a subscription to Ingenta, can be read at http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/nhi/2007/00000044/00000001/art00004 <https://exchange.lancs.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/nhi/2007/00000044/00000001/art00004> Meg ________________________________ From: REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion on behalf of Abigail Ann Young Sent: Tue 27/02/2007 15:10 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [Fwd: Pater Noster Guild Roll -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Pater Noster Guild Roll Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:40:39 -0500 From: Alexandra Johnston <[log in to unmask]> Meg Twycross has seen the article about the Pater Noster Guild Roll. She has written: I found the latest edition of Northen History in the Library and Xeroxed the article by Philippa Hoskin. Disappointing in one way: there's nothing there we didn't know already, and indeed hasn't been recorded in REED. The only thing is that it confirms that both Lucy Toulmin Smith and James Raine were right: there is an entry about the ludus accidie, and another about the ludus doctorum. They both seem to be to do with earlier years, or maybe one is from the accounting year just passed. I copy them both for your information: (on page 24 of article) Soluta debitorum de anno preterito ...... Et de ii s solutis domino Iohanni Thorp' et domino Iohanni Qwixlay pro eodem pro ludo doctorum. ...... Pro eodem seems to refer to 'debitis predecessorum suorum'. Nice to see old friends Thorp and Quixlay, also nice that they are both clergy apparently in charge of a play. (on page 29) This is at the end in a catalogue of 'Debita vetera'. ...... Et de ii s i d de introitu Iohannis Downom et uxoris sed dictus Iohannis dicit se expendisse in diversis expensis circa ludum accidie ex parte Ricardi Walker ii s i d ideo de predicto petit allocationem. ..... (2s 1d is the quarterly entrance fee: i.e. entrance fee was paid in quarterly instalments. Richard Walker was a previous Guild Master.) The rest of the roll, which is hefty, makes it look like a standard fraternity (like the CC Guild): entry fees, annual subscriptions, a shortish section on caring for and burying brothers and sisters, rents from and repairs to property, and a major, but major, feast. The strangest thing is a general levy for cloth: everybody seems to have subscribed the price of a variable number of ells. They bought eight bales, then cut it up (scissura), purpose unstated. Hoskins suggests it was for uniforms for those accompanying the play, but eight bales seems like a massive amount. In the feast accounts there is an entry about 'viii d de locione pannorum per annum'. Altogether they spent £21 17s 8d on buying, cutting out, and drinking while going to buy. If it weren't for the two entries (which don't involve huge sums, and seem to be for different years) you wouldn't know that there were plays involved at all. Presumably Thorp and Qwixlay presented their accounts on a separate piece of parchment. Many thanks to Meg for letting us all know so promptly -- Abigail Ann Young (Dr), Associate Editor/ Records of Early English Drama/ Victoria College/ 150 Charles Street W/ Toronto Ontario Canada Phone (416) 585-4504/ FAX (416) 813-4093/ [log in to unmask] List-owner of REED-L <http://www.reed.utoronto.ca/reed-l.html> http://www.reed.utoronto.ca/ => REED's home page http://www.reed.utoronto.ca/stage.html => our Web guide http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~young => my home page