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Nina, I have read, but it is seldom stressed, that ESCR is needed to learn what causes diseases. The Dennis Turner case illustrates that cell replacement is not by itself the answer if you don't know what caused the cells to die in the first place. What you are telling me just depresses me more. When Dr. Joe Rogers called me on Rep. Stump's behalf it sounded like he wanted to do the same thing Levesque did with Turner over 8 years ago with my brain cells!! I will visit his lab when he returns from Europe. Haven't heard from Mobely from the U of AZ yet. Although Rogers was affable and friendly, he told me everyone in his lab opposed ESCR. Must be some kind of religious litmus test to work there. If Stump's bill passes the AZ legislature I'll bet you Rogers and Mobely will get some of the 30 million dollars. Arizona is just teeming with right-wing conservatives (although new people are moving in) like the Center for AZ Policy which opposes ESCR, gays, a woman's right to choose, etc.etc., I don't know how they ever got Democrat Napolitano as Governor. The situation here in AZ is dire and serious. Progress is being blocked wherever possible. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nina P. Brown" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: Re: FRC's opposition to S5/debate > Ray, > I wanted to share this with you...while visiting a stem cell lab > dealing with adult stem cells, the researchers told us > "the embryonic stem cells teach them what to do with the adult stem > cells." > > And I love this quote... > "People like to say embryonic stem cells never cured anything [so the > research should be stopped). Well, my 4-year-old hasn't finished > medical school and won a Nobel Prize yet. Should I stop educating her?" > Dale A. Carlson, spokesman for the California Institute for > Regenerative Medicine. > > nina > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:56 PM, rayilynlee wrote: > >> The FRCs opposition to hESCR is based on the fiction that embryos >> are people >> and that the blastocysts in question are "embryos". According to >> Yvonne >> Perry's research for her book Right to Recover "embryo" is a >> misnomer in >> this debate. >> >> A blastocyst does not become an embryo unless and until it is >> implanted in a >> uterus (conception). Conception never happens with hESCR or SCNT as >> blastocysts are never implanted and aborted for research. >> >> I have been invited by the opposition here in Arizona to visit a >> nearby ASCR >> lab and I seriously doubt that the ASCs I get to see under a >> microscope look >> any more like little people than do the ESCs - they are all human >> cells. >> >> If you read this article below you will notice it sounds like a >> fetus or a >> person is being killed and equates hESCR with abortion. Unless >> you wish to >> "adopt" a leftover IVF blastocyst I hope you will prevail upon your >> senators >> to support S5 next week and let the couples who are responsible for >> them >> decide their destination. S5 does not require their "death". >> Ray >> >> "Oppose proposed law that will FORCE YOU to fund research that >> kills human >> embryos. >> >> Want Your Tax Dollars to Kill Human Embryos? >> March 9, 2007 | Refer a Friend >> Next week, the U.S. Senate will consider a bill to fund research that >> requires the killing of human embryos. Sponsored by Senators Harry >> Reid >> (D-Nev.) and Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), S. 5 will federally fund research >> on human >> embryos that supposedly are "leftover" from in vitro fertilization. >> Instead >> of promoting the adoption of these human embryos, this bill would >> require >> their death. >> >> President Bush is the first president to federally fund human >> embryonic stem >> cell research. He decided that such research could be funded so >> long as the >> cells had been obtained from embryos on or prior to August 9, 2001, >> the date >> of his announcement. Since then, the government has funded research >> on over >> 22 stem cell lines based on these embryos. However, the President's >> policy >> does not encourage the further killing of human embryos. >> >> Just as abortion is currently legal, killing human embryos this way is >> completely legal. The debate for now is about federal funding. We >> don't >> federally fund abortion even though it is legal. Likewise, we >> should not >> force U.S. taxpayers to fund research that requires the destruction of >> embryos. Last July, President Bush vetoed the same bill and the >> House upheld >> the veto. However, S. 5 would overturn the Bush policy and create a >> direct >> incentive to create and kill human embryos for research with your >> taxes! >> >> Please contact your Senators and let them know that you strongly >> oppose S. >> 5. Click here to take action now! >> >> Thank you and God bless you. >> >> Vote NO on S. 5" >> Sincerely, >> >> Tony Perkins >> President >> >> Family Research Council: 801 G Street N.W. Washington, D.C. 20001 >> P: 202/393-2100 or 800/225-4008 W: frc.org unsubscribe >> You are subscribed to Grassroots Alerts as [log in to unmask] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn