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Amanda, it sure is a "bite-you-in-the-backside" when you're not looking universe. A biscuit-centric universe would appear to be accurate for dogs, too. Why are you Brits funnier than anyone else? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Phillips" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > In a message dated 17/03/2007 06:05:29 GMT Standard Time, > [log in to unmask] > writes: > > Scott: > Lanza was the researcher who did the gene biopsy type study that showed > that > one cell could be taken without destroying the blastocyst. His work > became > the subject of much argument. > > I think what he meant was that space and time is how we experience > consciousness. Certainly before we were born or existed we experienced > neither. I think his idea that all living creatures are bound by > themselves > is a good one. For example, it is difficult especially with respect to > religion to escape anthropomorphism whether you are a believer or not. > I'm > guessing my dog Spike does not see the issue in the same way I do. We > are > both restricted by who and what we are. > > I only posted this because Lanza is a stem cell researcher and I thought > his > ideas were interesting. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott E. Antes" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > > >>I wanted to say something earlier, but too many students this semester! >>I'm >> not sure what this has to do with PD, but: I do not know Dr. Lanza, nor >> have I >> read his work, so I am going strictly by the interview posted on this >> list. >> This is not--by any stretch of the imagination--a biocentric universe. >> Biology is a relative latecomer to the big picture. Plus, of all matter >> that >> exists in our universe, biology makes up only a tiny fraction. Most of >> the >> universe is void of life, and--as best we know--always has been. >> >> If Dr. Lanza is saying that we humans basically construct and >> reconstruct >> our >> universe (actually, our *notion* of the universe) as we gain more >> knowledge >> and understanding of it--and as previous notions get pushed aside, then >> all of >> us in the scientific community would agree. It's all a matter of >> operating >> under the current paradigm (either social or scientific). >> >> Time and space. Time and space and life are about the only three >> absolute >> truths in existence. The devout Buddhist might say that even these are >> simply >> illusion. Thus, humans define these terms in all sorts of cultural >> ways. >> Whether illusion or truth, we practical people have to recognize that we >> work >> within their infinite borders. Infinite for time and space, that is. >> Not >> for >> life. Life begins and ends, whereas time and space do not. A >> biocentric >> universe? Hardly. >> >> Scott Antes >> >>>===== Original Message From Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> <[log in to unmask]> ===== >>>I think Dr. Lanza is one smart guy. I never did believe "time" was >>>real. >>>Ray >> >> Scott E. Antes >> Department of Anthropology >> Northern Arizona University >> Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > I tthink it's a bite-you-in-the-backside-when-you're-not-expecting-it > universe, > > - or for dogs, a biscuit-centric universe.... > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn