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Hi Bernie, I think Lanza would say that "reality" is relative (wonder about origin of this word - from the Latin "to carry back") to the perceiver, although I would guess dogs perceive a dog-centered or as Amanda Phillips put it a "biscuit-centered" universe, while humans experience a reality that is also common, yet different for each person based on their experience. As you might imagine, I tend to agree with you. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Barber Ph.D." <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > Hi Scott and Ray, > > Good for you regarding; Dr.Lanza's article. Now what is a good definition > of > "Reality". It seems to me that all knowledge is relative to the human > experience. It is driving force for the continuation of the human quest. > > Thanks > > Bernie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:18 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > > Scott: > Lanza was the researcher who did the gene biopsy type study that showed > that > one cell could be taken without destroying the blastocyst. His work > became > the subject of much argument. > > I think what he meant was that space and time is how we experience > consciousness. Certainly before we were born or existed we experienced > neither. I think his idea that all living creatures are bound by > themselves > is a good one. For example, it is difficult especially with respect to > religion to escape anthropomorphism whether you are a believer or not. > I'm > guessing my dog Spike does not see the issue in the same way I do. We are > both restricted by who and what we are. > > I only posted this because Lanza is a stem cell researcher and I thought > his > ideas were interesting. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott E. Antes" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > > >>I wanted to say something earlier, but too many students this semester! >>I'm >> not sure what this has to do with PD, but: I do not know Dr. Lanza, nor >> have I >> read his work, so I am going strictly by the interview posted on this >> list. >> This is not--by any stretch of the imagination--a biocentric universe. >> Biology is a relative latecomer to the big picture. Plus, of all matter >> that >> exists in our universe, biology makes up only a tiny fraction. Most of >> the >> universe is void of life, and--as best we know--always has been. >> >> If Dr. Lanza is saying that we humans basically construct and reconstruct >> our >> universe (actually, our *notion* of the universe) as we gain more >> knowledge >> and understanding of it--and as previous notions get pushed aside, then >> all of >> us in the scientific community would agree. It's all a matter of >> operating >> under the current paradigm (either social or scientific). >> >> Time and space. Time and space and life are about the only three >> absolute >> truths in existence. The devout Buddhist might say that even these are >> simply >> illusion. Thus, humans define these terms in all sorts of cultural ways. >> Whether illusion or truth, we practical people have to recognize that we >> work >> within their infinite borders. Infinite for time and space, that is. >> Not >> for >> life. Life begins and ends, whereas time and space do not. A biocentric >> universe? Hardly. >> >> Scott Antes >> >>>===== Original Message From Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> <[log in to unmask]> ===== >>>I think Dr. Lanza is one smart guy. I never did believe "time" was >>>real. >>>Ray >> >> Scott E. Antes >> Department of Anthropology >> Northern Arizona University >> Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn