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In a message dated 20/03/2007 06:04:32 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Marsha, guess what, I found my original post of 3-10-07, thanks to Amanda.....I don't save stuff I have so much of it. I noticed this time it was someone writing about Lanza's theory, not himself. When I searched it I found, like you, people talking about it or excerpts. Also, when I clicked on links to his American Scholar article, my attempts to access it failed. Your pains sound like PD to me and like what I have. I'm starting to get spasms in my legs that are quite painful. Hope your neuro can provide some insights. I'm sorry to hear you are having difficulty. When I last talked to you you didn't mention it. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> To: "Parkinson's Information Exchange Network" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe >I think Dr. Lanza is one smart guy. I never did believe "time" was real. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda Phillips" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe > > >> In a message dated 10/03/2007 07:03:48 GMT Standard Time, >> [log in to unmask] >> writes: >> >> Will Biology Solve the Universe? >> By Aaron Rowe| Also by this reporter >> 10:00 AM Mar, 08, 2007 >> For years, scientists have tried to develop a universal theory of >> everything. Steven Hawking predicts that such a theory will be >> discovered in >> the next 20 years. A new theory asserts that biology, not physics, will >> be >> the key to unlocking the deepest mysteries of the universe, such as >> quantum >> mechanics. >> "The answer to the universe is biology -- it's as simple as that," says >> Dr. >> Robert Lanza, vice president of research and scientific development at >> Advanced Cell Technology. He details his theory in The American >> Scholar's >> spring issue, published on Thursday. Lanza says scientists will >> establish a >> unified theory only if they radically rethink their understanding of >> space >> and time using a "biocentric" approach. His article is essentially a >> biological and philosophical response to Hawking's A Brief History of >> Time, >> in which he questions how we interpret the big bang, the existence of >> space >> and time, as well as many other theories -- assertions that might ruffle >> the >> feathers of some physical scientists. >> But Lanza is used to controversy. The 2005 Wired Rave Award winner has >> seen >> plenty in response to his stem cell and cloning work at Advanced Cell. >> And >> he's ready for the scientific row his latest work is likely to engender. >> "The urgent and primary questions of the universe have been undertaken >> by >> those physicists who are trying to explain the origins of everything >> with >> grand unified theories," says Lanza in his article. "But as exciting and >> glamorous as these theories are, they are an evasion, if not a reversal, >> of >> the central mystery of knowledge: that the laws of the world were >> somehow >> created to produce the observer." >> At several points in his article, he argues that cosmologists are doing >> work >> that has been hijacked by creationists. >> "In cosmology, scientists have discovered that the universe has a long >> list >> of traits that make it appear as if everything it contains -- from atoms >> to >> stars -- was tailor-made for us," he writes. "Indeed, the lack of a >> scientific explanation has allowed these facts to be hijacked as a >> defense >> of intelligent design." >> Lanza argues that time is not the linear phenomena that we are >> comfortable >> with. Rather, our perception of time is a tool we use to understand the >> world around us. While it works well for the average person, it hampers >> our >> understanding of advanced physics. In this Wired News Q&A, Lanza >> explains >> more about the theory he calls his life's work . >> Wired News: You call your theory of the universe a biocentric theory. >> What, >> exactly, does that mean? >> Lanza: This new theory presents a shift in world view with the >> perspective >> that life creates the universe instead of the other way around. >> WN: I imagine that a lot of physicists will be rather upset by your >> article. >> How do you expect them to react? >> Lanza: People are not going to be very happy with what this all means. >> This >> theory is going to invalidate their (some scientists) entire life's >> work. I >> will definitely get crucified. >> We've got the scientific structure and framework incorrect. We need a >> theory >> that is internally consistent. We can't do this without creating a >> biological understanding of space and time. This will require >> restructuring >> science so that biology is above physics. >> WN: Does that mean you think that big physics and astronomy projects >> should >> not be funded? >> Lanza: Of course they should be funded. I don't think that everything >> should >> be changed. What I am saying is that there is a missing piece to the >> puzzle >> of how the universe works. The answer is biology. It is as simple as >> that. >> The biological picture of space and time must be integrated into our >> understanding of physics. >> WN: Why do you think that there is such a deep misunderstanding of what >> time >> and space really are? >> Lanza: Our minds are structured to think that way. Even Einstein avoided >> the >> question of what space and time are. He simply defined them as what we >> measure with clocks and measuring-rods. However, the emphasis should be >> on >> the "we," not the measuring. >> WN: Do you expect that some people will read your article and think you >> mean >> that they can sit on a mountaintop and meditate to change the world >> around >> them with mind powers? >> Lanza: We can't decide that we want to jump off the roof and not get >> hurt. >> However much we want, we can't violate the rules of spatiotemporal >> logic. >> WN: In your article, you make the assertion that time and space do not >> exist. What do you mean by that? >> Lanza: There is something very unusual about them. We can't put them in >> a >> marmalade jar and take them back to the lab for analysis. Space and time >> are >> forms of animal sense perception. Space and time are not objects or >> things -- they are forms of animal sense perception. >> Thousands of articles and books have danced around the desire to toss >> off >> the current mechanical world view that has dominated Western culture for >> hundreds of years. While some imply that time and space may not in fact >> exist, this article diagrams, for the first time, such a universe -- a >> universe in which time and space do not exist as physical realities >> independent of humans and animals. >> WN: You seem to disagree with how the world was created. >> Lanza: There are serious problems with the current world view. We pride >> ourselves in our current beliefs and then we (scientists) say, and by >> the >> way, we have no idea why the big bang happened. >> WN: Can you explain why we should doubt the things that are accepted as >> the >> truth in science classes everywhere? >> Lanza: For the first time outside of complex mathematics, this theory >> explains the provocative new experiment that was just published in >> Science >> last month. This landmark experiment showed that a choice you make now >> can >> actually influence an event that has already occurred in the past. >> Scientists continue to dismiss the observer as an inconvenience to their >> theories. Real experiments show that the properties of matter itself >> are >> observer-determined. A particle can go through one hole if you look at >> it, >> but if you don't look at it, it can actually go through more than one >> hole >> at the same time. Science has no explanation for how the world can be >> like >> that. >> >> *This is why light can be both and/or a wave and a particle, depending >> upon >> perception. Ray, >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> >> >> If there's a theory of everything,does that mean it's a theory of >> itself ? >> - and there's a theory of a theory of a theory of a .... oh, never mind >> ! >> >> amanda >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn I've found a"Tens" machine (electronic pain relief) rather helpfull for muscle pains / cramps, tho the effect wears off after a few hours. It generates eletrical currents that seem to un-spasm the muscle. Mine can be worn under clothes & has various settings and strengths. It also helps when I've stiffened after being motionless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn