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In a message dated 17/03/2007 06:05:29 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Scott: Lanza was the researcher who did the gene biopsy type study that showed that one cell could be taken without destroying the blastocyst. His work became the subject of much argument. I think what he meant was that space and time is how we experience consciousness. Certainly before we were born or existed we experienced neither. I think his idea that all living creatures are bound by themselves is a good one. For example, it is difficult especially with respect to religion to escape anthropomorphism whether you are a believer or not. I'm guessing my dog Spike does not see the issue in the same way I do. We are both restricted by who and what we are. I only posted this because Lanza is a stem cell researcher and I thought his ideas were interesting. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott E. Antes" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe >I wanted to say something earlier, but too many students this semester! >I'm > not sure what this has to do with PD, but: I do not know Dr. Lanza, nor > have I > read his work, so I am going strictly by the interview posted on this > list. > This is not--by any stretch of the imagination--a biocentric universe. > Biology is a relative latecomer to the big picture. Plus, of all matter > that > exists in our universe, biology makes up only a tiny fraction. Most of > the > universe is void of life, and--as best we know--always has been. > > If Dr. Lanza is saying that we humans basically construct and reconstruct > our > universe (actually, our *notion* of the universe) as we gain more > knowledge > and understanding of it--and as previous notions get pushed aside, then > all of > us in the scientific community would agree. It's all a matter of > operating > under the current paradigm (either social or scientific). > > Time and space. Time and space and life are about the only three absolute > truths in existence. The devout Buddhist might say that even these are > simply > illusion. Thus, humans define these terms in all sorts of cultural ways. > Whether illusion or truth, we practical people have to recognize that we > work > within their infinite borders. Infinite for time and space, that is. Not > for > life. Life begins and ends, whereas time and space do not. A biocentric > universe? Hardly. > > Scott Antes > >>===== Original Message From Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > <[log in to unmask]> ===== >>I think Dr. Lanza is one smart guy. I never did believe "time" was real. >>Ray > > Scott E. Antes > Department of Anthropology > Northern Arizona University > Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn I tthink it's a bite-you-in-the-backside-when-you're-not-expecting-it universe, - or for dogs, a biscuit-centric universe.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn