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Mr. Ertelt: Although Pope Pius II proclaimed in 1869 that life begins at conception, IVF has taken some stages of the reproductive process out of the human body making implantation in a human uterus a necessary step in the reproduction of persons process. I have been conferring with adult stem cell scientists here in AZ about exactly where conception takes place and I got the papal reference from Dr. Mobely at the U of AZ which failed to clarify the issue. The question of implantation/conception is unclear. Perhaps you can explain this relationship. If a blastocyst fails to implant or is not implanted there will never be a human being and that's for sure, at least for now. Believers in immaculate conception and virgin birth could get away with pronouncements about conception more easily when reproduction took place only in the human body. IVF changed all that. Nowhere in any biology textbook or the Bible does it say that a cell is a person or a human "being". I think the real ethical issue is whether or not we should interfere in this process or not. I say "yes" and you probably really say "no" for religious reasons like "we are playing God". You try to bring the argument around to secular reasoning, but it fails to hide your true motivation. Rayilyn Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Ertelt To: rayilynlee Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Murder of Cells Check your biology textbook. Our body is made of cells but a humen being beings at the point of conception. When you understand this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn concept, we'll talk.