I probably shouldn't have said "nothing to do," because they can overlap. But they are quite different concerns, and entirely separable. > Russ, why are you saying that > > Copyright has _nothing to do_ with plagiarism. Nothing. They are > > separate issues? A student writing a paper is not publishing it, and it's a private matter: it can't violate copyright unless it harms the owner of the copyright by depriving her of potential revenue, and in order to do that it has to be public. Further, an idea can't be copyrighted; only the _expression_ of the idea can be copyrighted, so that if I paraphrase I don't violate copyright (though I might still be plagiarising). A copyright violation is irrelevant to whether it's plagiarism or not: if I copy your article and publish it as signed by you, I've still violated your copyright. In fact, that's usually the case: copyright originated to keep someone else from printing your work and selling it without paying anything to you. Who _signed_ it was irrelevant, and if your name were one to conjure with, the pirate would want to publish it with your name on it. Part of the reason I feel strongly about this is that people like turnitin.com want to confuse the two, making student plagiarism seem a much bigger deal than it is, making it seem even a criminal matter. I didn't realize this till at a conference a couple of years ago a presenter from the Columbia law school (I think) walked us through their Web page, explaining how many falsehoods and weasle-implications were on it. Since then they've taken that stuff down. Plagiarism is a matter of honesty (when it's dishonest and not simply mistaken, which, IMHO, is most of the time), but not a criminal or legal matter. Even Jayson Blair could only be fired, not prosecuted. > And re posting one's published articles on the Internet: I > stopped doing that because copyright transfer forms often > have a clause that prevents one from doing that. Since I have > transferred copyright to the publisher, won't I be violating > the copyright agreement if I post the paper? Yes. It's one of my few remaining vices from the days when I embraced civil disobedience. I figure if Heinemann wants to sue me for $325, they're welcome to. The amounts of money involved in this stuff are too trivial to bother with: copyright is about Disney, and mp3 files, and maybe textbooks. My article was written and published so that my colleagues could read it, not so that someone who happened to control a printing press could profit from restraining its circulation. -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-