Just want to add my praise and appreciation for Susan's wonderful article. It is beautifully done -- strong, eloquent, and to the point. Thanks again Susan! Patricia Quoting Margaret Procter <[log in to unmask]>: > This is great -- I look forward to circulating it to others at U of T, > starting with colleagues in writing centres and writing programs as a > much-needed spring tonic. > > Just one more suggestion: Susan should list her 3M Fellowship in her > signature line. That will remind people of the excellent article > about/by her published at the time of the award, and will strengthen > the idea that writing studies are worthy of respect. > > Many thanks once again, Susan! > > Margaret > > -- > Margaret Procter, Ph.D. > University of Toronto Coordinator, Writing Support > Room 173, 15 King's College Circle > Toronto ON M5S 3H7 > > 416 978-8109; FAX 416 971-2027 > [log in to unmask] > www.utoronto.ca/writing > > > > Susan Drain wrote: >> Thanks to everyone. If it weren't the end of term, I could write a >> small dissertation on the challenges and pleasures of writing about >> writing with a bunch of writing people. But it's the end of term, and >> that's probably 'nuff said. >> >> Here is the latest attempt to write a coherent intelligent and >> confessedly incomplete response to the UA piece. It incorporates some >> but not all of the wiki editings, and some of the comments I've received >> publicly and privately through the list serv. I am grateful for every >> bit of advice and the generosity with which it was offered. The last >> paragraphs are new, and I have accepted the suggestion that I sign it as >> myself but "on behalf of and in collaboration with members of..." >> >> I have asked UA about a deadline for such a response. I haven't had an >> answer yet, but I'm guessing it will be "soon." >> So please take a look, make sure that there's nothing there to embarrass >> us, and let me know as soon as you can. I'm also posting it to the >> wikispace. >> >> Cheers >> Susan >> *** >> Those of us in the field of Writing Studies are delighted to find a >> positive response to the question “Who cares about writing, anyway?” >> (University Affairs, April 2008) We are more used to complaints about >> our students’ deficiencies, and faint hopes that someone somewhere (the >> schools? the writing centre? the English department? divine >> intervention?) will rid the university of the plague of error, the >> distraction of disorganization, the scourge of non-standard usage, oh, >> and while we’re at it, could we solve the problem of plagiarism, too? >> >> So it’s a pleasure to read Sunny Marche on the need for commitment to >> writing in our universities, and not only because his writing has energy >> and style. (Love the anaphora in the first paragraph! Great use of >> rhetorical questions. Excellent personal details to make the >> generalizations vivid.) There’s also so much with which we concur. >> • Writing matters for most professions. • Writing matters even >> in a digital age. • Writing is not an all-or-nothing mysterious >> gift – it >> can be taught and it can be learned. >> • University faculty are all writers. >> >> But University faculty are not all scholars of Writing Studies. And >> just as we wouldn’t dream of teaching marketing, even though we know >> something about marketing because we are consumers, so we in Writing >> Studies would like to clarify some points in Sunny Marche’s piece. >> These clarifications will help make our ongoing conversations with >> colleagues like Sunny more productive. “Writing” is an inadequate >> label for the complex of processes that we >> understand. The one word is used to include everything from recognizing >> the first glimmer of an idea, through the hard slog of researching and >> assembling evidence and drafting to the shaping that we call revision >> and the fine-tuning we call editing. It’s not one thing, it’s not a >> simple thing, and it’s not a mere adjunct to other disciplines. A >> discipline is defined, after all, not by its subject matter alone, but >> by the characteristic processes of both thinking and writing by which >> knowledge is constructed and communicated in that field. So hurrah for >> marketing professors who care about how writing is used in the study of >> marketing, and for math professors, who see that writing can be used to >> solve problems, even those usually expressed in symbols. >> >> That brings us to our second point of clarification. If we agree (and >> we do) that writing needs practice and that writing matters in every >> discipline, then we agree that writing across the curriculum is a good >> way to ensure that students do get writing practice and do see that >> writing matters in all their courses. That doesn’t mean that writing >> for the purposes of evaluation must be assigned across the curriculum: >> no, writing must be used to serve the purposes of learning across the >> curriculum. When we encourage writing across the curriculum, we also >> encourage critical thinking and knowledge sharing. Among the best >> practices of writing across the curriculum are the use of journals and >> reflection pieces, on-line discussions or in-class responses, to give >> practice in uncovering and articulating ideas. “How do our students >> know what they think till they see what they say?” And they are less >> likely to be thinking if their only writing in a course is taking >> lecture notes – and even less if they are downloading webnotes or >> podcasts. >> >> A related clarification has to do with writing in the disciplines as >> opposed to writing across the curriculum. Writing differs from >> discipline to discipline, because writing is so connected to >> thinking. Sociology handles evidence differently from, say, >> history, and in every >> discipline various writing genres and conventions have been developed to >> suit the intellectual needs of the discipline. These are some of the >> issues that writing scholars concern themselves with – both to theorize >> what they mean for knowledge production itself, and to address their >> pedagogical implications. This scholarship makes us well suited to and >> very interested in collaborating with historians and sociologists, both >> expert and novice, to apply our findings. It is also how we know that >> requiring a “writing” course – whether it’s first-year comp or English >> 1000 or a designated writing intensive course – does not fully meet the >> needs of students who are expected to become expert practitioners in >> their disciplines. Sociologists and historians (and marketing profs and >> chemists and...) do know how writing works in their disciplines. They >> also know how long it took for them to learn how to do it. The >> commitment to writing therefore needs to be not only across the >> curriculum but also in the disciplines. >> >> But English is my second language, one sociologist says. And I don’t do >> grammar, says the historian. Well, says the writing scholar, paying >> attention solely to surface correctness is not what we mean when we say >> writing needs to be learned in the discipline as part of the discipline. >> Explicit knowledge of grammar, we know, does not readily translate into >> effective writing. In fact, what are often called “grammar problems” >> are the symptoms, not the cause, of ineffective writing. And when >> students understand what they are supposed to be doing intellectually >> when they’re writing – how the discourse works and sounds – many of the >> surface problems disappear. Finally, we have to agree >> wholeheartedly with Dr. Marche’s view that >> greater support and training is desirable for the TAs upon whom the >> burden of dealing with “the writing problem” is often placed. Teaching >> and learning centres increasingly offer training courses for TAs; >> building on the scholarship of Writing Studies would strengthen those >> courses. Even the TAs in physics, statistics and finance (who, Dr. >> Marche fears, might not be motivated to provide help on the writing >> front) would come to understand that “providing help on the writing >> front” really means teaching the discipline. In fact, all faculty could >> benefit from greater support for and more dialogue with one another >> about teaching and learning to write. And the scholarship is >> there. Though their work and expertise is too often unrecognized or >> housed on >> the institutional periphery, in writing centres, extra-departmental >> programs, and the like, there are on every campus members of one or >> other of the Canadian professional organizations in Writing Studies >> listed below. Thanks, Dr. Marche. Let’s talk some more. >> >> >> Susan Drain is Writing Co-ordinator in the Department of English at >> Mount Saint Vincent University, Halifax. She wrote this piece on behalf >> of and in collaboration with members of the following professional >> associations for Writing Studies in Canada. >> >> CASLL Canadian Association for the Study of Language and Learning >> <http://www.stthomasu.ca/inkshed> >> CATTW/ACPRTS Canadian Association of Teachers of Technical >> Writing/Association canadienne des professeurs de rédaction technique et >> scientifique >> <http://cattw-acprts.mcgill.ca/> >> CSSR/SCER Canadian Society for the Study of Rhetoric/Société canadienne >> pour l’étude de la rhétorique >> <http://www.ucalgary.ca/~rcarruth/> >> CWCA/ACCR Canadian Writing Centres Association/Association canadienne >> des centres de rédaction >> <http://www.usask.ca/ulc/writing/cwca/> >> >> *** >> >> Susan Drain, PhD >> Department of English >> Mount Saint Vincent University >> Halifax, NS Canada B3M 2J6 >> 902 457 6220 >> [log in to unmask] >> >> >> This communication, including any attached documentation, is >> intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed, >> and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. 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