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This IS a tempting diversion from things we ought to be doing. It's made me ruminate on the presence of the fool(s) in a family portrait(s). I'm interested in them in general, anyway. Any suggestions for a good read on such a topic (the meaning or importance of their representation in the dynastic imagery)? Cheers, Carolyn Carolyn Coulson-Grigsby Assistant Professor of Theatre and Humanities Centenary College 400 Jefferson St. Hackettstown, NJ 07840 908-852-1400 ext 2309 [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion on behalf of Twycross, Meg Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 2:56 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [Fwd: New portrait of Elizabeth I] It looks strangely fudged? The personnel are the same as in the Hampton Court painting (omitting Jane the Fool and Jane Seymour). But Mary's face is the pinched older one of the official royal portraits, not the rather bland one of the Hampton Court painting, where they are presumably about the same age as in this portrait? Ditto the Edward, who seems to have been a rather solid child -- or represented as one. Check out the various portraits of Will Somers as well. Why am I worrying about this? I have other things to do! Meg Twycross ________________________________ From: REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion on behalf of Ingram, William Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 3:48 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [Fwd: New portrait of Elizabeth I] I had no trouble loading either page, but it's nice to have a second image and a second set of comments. Users of the Guardian link will have to mend the line-break to make it functional (as I've done below). Bill Ingram -----Original Message----- From: REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thomas Larque Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:03 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [Fwd: New portrait of Elizabeth I] > Is anyone else having trouble loading this page? Yes. I had to refresh a couple of times, but it finally turned up. The same picture appears more rapidly at http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/neel_mukherjee/2008/05/elizabeth_at_ first.html Thomas Larque.