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The bottom line is.... There is no consensus, among the religions or scientists as to precisely when life begins. Opinions range from the moment of conception until the moment the first breath is taken. Until there is a consensus, is it acceptable for either side of the issue to attempt to force their ethical opinion on others? Nina "Circumstances determine our lives, but we shape our lives by what we make of our circumstances." On May 31, 2008, at 1:41 PM, rayilynlee wrote: > Bernie > Bernie > I would like to be able to respect religious people, like the > Jehoveh's Witnesses, who oppose blood transfusions, but only for > themselves. It seems to me that since Bush they have had too much > power and influence. > Ray > Rayilyn Brown > Board Member AZNPF > Arizona Chapter National Parkinson's Foundation > [log in to unmask] > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Barber Ph.D." <[log in to unmask] > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: Colo. "Personhood" Amendment > > >> Ray, Thank you for all the effort you put out to keep us posted on >> this >> issue. >> I keep coming back to our Constitution that clearly separates >> church and >> state. >> I am for everyone having the right to their believes. If one >> disagrees with >> a procedure they do not have to participate, that is the individual's >> choice. I believe we have the right to agree or disagree, but in >> this issue >> we don't have the right to impose a personal belief on to others. >> >> We are presently engaged in a war to promote democracy. The right >> to believe >> and/or not to believe, which is fundamental to a free society. Lets >> not wrap >> our system in a flag of disregard of our Constitution >> >> Bernie Barber >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:22 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Colo. "Personhood" Amendment >> >> Amendment Defining Human Life Likely Headed for Ballot >> >> Last Edited: Tuesday, 13 May 2008, 9:42 PM MDT >> Created: Tuesday, 13 May 2008, 9:41 PM MDT >> >> The group Colorado for Equal Rights celebrates after turning in >> enough >> signatures to place the "Personhood Amendment" on November's >> ballot. May 13, >> 2008. >> by TAMMY VIGIL, Reporter >> >> DENVER (MyFOXColorado.com) - A proposed constitutional amendment >> could make >> Colorado a national battleground on the issue of abortion. >> Tuesday, a victory of sorts for a group pushing an amendment that >> would >> define a fertilized egg as a person. >> Colorado for Equal Rights turned in 37 boxes and 131,245 signatures >> it needs >> to place the "Personhood Amendment" on November's ballot. It needed >> to turn >> in just over 76,000 signatures. >> "We had over 1,100 volunteers around the state. We covered over 500 >> churches," says amendment sponsor, Kristi Burton. >> "We believe the Colorado Constitution was created to protect every >> person. >> So, the question we're asking is--who is a person?" says Burton. >> Opponents to the measure have surprisingly similar views about the >> purpose >> of the Constitution. "Colorado's Constitution was created to >> protect us, >> rather than deny health care access to anyone in Colorado," says Toni >> Panette, spokesperson for Protect Families Protext Choice coalition. >> That group says defining life in the Constitution could lay the >> groundwork >> to overturn Roe v. Wade and inviting government intrusion into >> private >> medical decisions. >> I don't think the definition of a person is a personal decision. >> That is a >> scientific definition," says Burton. The 20-year-old says medical >> technology >> clearly shows an unborn child is a person. >> "There's 4-D ultrasounds. There's incredible medical evidence that >> an unborn >> child is a person," says Burton. >> But FOX 31's doctor John Torres says from a medical perspective a >> pregnancy >> does not automatically mean a human will be born. >> "Technology today in 2008 hasn't gotten to the point that we can >> sustain >> life outside the womb any earlier than 20 weeks," he says. >> Regardless, amendment supporters say their beliefs are strong. And >> so is >> their battle to protect what they see as a person, no matter how >> small. >> Opponents say the amendment could also ban the most popular forms >> of birth >> control, and affect stem cell research and inheritance rights. >> The Secretary of State's Office has up to 30 days to certify the >> petitions. >> >> Rayilyn Brown >> Board Member AZNPF >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson's Foundation [log in to unmask] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: >> 5/29/2008 >> 7:27 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: >> 5/30/2008 >> 2:53 PM >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn