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Kathleen I agree, that one real cure would change everything. SCNT seems like the best route to me, but we have to get approval of the "excess" "embryos"' first. Calling a blastocyst an embryo conjours up the notion of something with a body of some kind. Opponents are still calling ESCs "fetal" cells. I don't think a zygote or blastocyst becomes an embryo unless it successfully implants in a human uterus. A seed must be planted in order to germinate. SCNT eliminates the fertilization of an egg, but folks fear cloning. I think the argument that adult stem cells make embryonic stem cells obsolete, is a recognition on some level of the reality that ESCR is necessary. If it is immoral or wrong, it shouldn't matter if it is better or worse in terms of whether it works or not. Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Cochran" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:04 AM > Subject: Re: ESCR still restricted > > >> This is disappointing...a bit scary, too, that this vital research should >> depend upon there being enough infertile couples willing and able to >> undertake the difficulty and expense of in vitro fertilization. However, >> I >> believe that the minute a breakthrough occurs in treating disease with >> stem >> cells, opposition to techniques like somatic cell transfer will >> evaporate. >> >> I just wish they would stop using the term "embryo"! >> >> Kathleen >> >> 2009/4/17 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> US lifts some restrictions on embryo stem cells >>> >>> by LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer Lauran Neergaard, Ap Medical >>> Writer >>> - 53 mins ago >>> WASHINGTON - When President Barack Obama eased limits on taxpayer-funded >>> embryonic stem cell research, the big question became how far scientists >>> could go. Friday, the government answered: They must use cells culled >>> from >>> fertility clinic embryos that otherwise would be thrown away. >>> Draft guidelines released by the National Institutes of Health reflect >>> rules with broad congressional support, excluding more controversial >>> sources >>> such as cells derived from embryos created just for experiments. >>> "We think this will be a huge boost for the science," said Acting NIH >>> Director Raynard Kington. "This was the right policy for the agency at >>> this >>> point in time." >>> The limit will disappoint some researchers who wanted to use a broader >>> variety of cells. But it still means that perhaps hundreds more stem >>> cell >>> lines will be available for government-funded study soon. >>> "Some groups and scientists have wanted the administration to go >>> further. >>> But we are happy to have this progress after such a long period of >>> limited >>> opportunities to pursue this very important line of research," said Alan >>> Leshner of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. >>> The guidelines are "a reasonable compromise based on where the science >>> stands now," said Dr. Sean Morrison, director of the University of >>> Michigan >>> Center for Stem Cell Biology. "We may need to revisit some of the >>> details >>> down the road depending on how the science develops." >>> Scientists are trying to harness embryonic stem cells - master cells >>> that >>> can morph into any cell of the body - to one day create replacement >>> tissues >>> and better treat, possibly even cure, ailments ranging from diabetes to >>> Parkinson's to spinal cord injury. >>> Culling those stem cells - which can propagate indefinitely in lab >>> dishes - >>> destroys a days-old embryo, a result strongly opposed by many on moral >>> grounds. So the Bush administration had limited taxpayer-supported >>> research >>> to a small number of embryonic stem cell "lines" or groups already in >>> existence as of August 2001. >>> Last month, Obama lifted that restriction, widening the field. But he >>> left >>> it to the NIH to set ethics guidelines determining which cell lines now >>> will >>> qualify for government funding. >>> Federal law forbids using taxpayer money to create or destroy an embryo. >>> At >>> issue here are rules for working with cells that initially were created >>> using private money. >>> Many scientists had hoped the guidelines would allow use of stem cells >>> derived from embryos created just for science, perhaps even using >>> cloning >>> techniques that could make them genetically customized for a potential >>> recipient. >>> But the NIH instead proposed limiting new grants to research using stem >>> cells originally derived from fertility-clinic leftovers, the extra >>> embryos >>> that couples wind up not needing and thus often are thrown out. >>> That's in line with legislation passed by the last Congress but never >>> signed by President George W. Bush. Besides, Kington noted, no one has >>> yet >>> created a stem cell line using cloning techniques. >>> "There's compelling broad support both in the scientific community and >>> the >>> public at large" for the fertility-clinic approach, Kington said. "There >>> is >>> not similar broad support for using other sources at this time." >>> The guidelines also demand that the woman or couple who donate the >>> original >>> embryo give proper informed consent. There are other options for such >>> donors, such as donating the embryo to another infertile woman, and all >>> must >>> be explained. Also, the donation must be voluntary, without pressure >>> from >>> scientists. >>> Those donation practices are standard today, but they weren't just a few >>> years ago - and Michigan's Morrison said some of the old Bush-approved >>> lines >>> may not meet the new standards. That poses a grave question, he said: >>> Can >>> work based on those older lines continue? >>> Friday's guidelines also clearly forbid some types of research using >>> human >>> embryonic stem cells, such as mixing them with embryos from monkeys and >>> other primates. >>> Last year, the NIH funded about $88 million in research using embryonic >>> stem cells, Kington said. It's unclear how much more the agency may >>> spend >>> under the new policy. >>> The NIH will accept public comments on the guidelines for a month, and >>> issue final rules by early July. >>> >>> Rayilyn Brown >>> Director AZNPF >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>> [log in to unmask] >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: >>> [log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn