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Historically, there has never been much of a, if any, penalty for women who have abortions. (In 1796 it was a misdemeanor in New England, in 1820's there were laws in the US against it due to midwives competing with doctors). I wonder why if opponents say it is murder there is no movement to punish women who have abortions. Kind of like no demand that IVF clinics be abolished if you believe undifferentiated cells are persons. It seems to me that this issue has never been resolved. The history of abortion laws shows that overall people think it is not a good thing, but somehow not bad enough for punishment. Different cultures and religions have different ideas about reproduction. It would be difficult enough to decide for yourself whether/when to have an abortion, let alone other people. The only reason I posted anything about it was because the embryonic stem cell research controversy has become an "abortion" issue. Supporters of ESCR like MJFox have been called "baby-killers" and cannibals. As long as this confusion and misrepresentation of facts exists, research that might yield Parkinson's and other cures will be difficult and restricted. Given this kind of name-calling, could ESC researchers and their labs be at risk of extremists who take the law into their own hands? Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:47 AM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Doctor who performed abortions shot to death > Paula, just one thought to the question of legality. During the Third > Reich it was quite legal to sent the undesirable to the concentration > camps, as it was legal in the sixties to order Blacks to the back of the > bus.During the Third Reich the courts were stacked with Nazi lawyers and > today the US courts are and will be more stacked with Obama cronies. > > Some things you just don't do, because your conscience tell you to, > whether it is to murder a doctor or murder a baby in the birth canal. > Interesting the root of the word "con"-"science", I prefer 'common sense' > , which is hard to find these . > > I subscribed to this forum hoping to find more info regarding my wife's > PD. However, it turned out to be a political platform whose ideas > I can never support. With that, please take me off your mailing list. > Dirk Kukler > Westbank BC Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paula E. Jayne" <[log in to unmask] > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: Doctor who performed abortions shot to death > > >> Whether or not you (the collective you) believe abortion is necessary or >> not, >> the fact remains that it is legal. If you disagree with it, >> appropriate >> responses might include fighting the battle in the courts, helping to >> improve >> adoption services so that those women who carry to term but choose not to >> mother have viable alternatives, lessening the social stigma and huge >> financial >> costs of being a single parent, helping to increase access (including >> financial >> access) to contraceptives, improving sexual education in schools so that >> teens >> have accurate information about their fertility (or, if you don't think >> adolescents should be having sex before marriage & therefore they shdn't >> need >> to know about contraceptives, fight for Life Skills education which >> teaches >> teens how to reason through big decisions), supporting any way you can >> the >> parents that you do know, having civil conversations with people about >> why you >> don't believe abortion should be legal, volunteering for foster care, be >> a big >> brother / big sister, fight for a liveable mimimum wage so people can >> afford to >> raise children, fight for day care reform so parents can count on safe >> and >> affordable childcare, the list goes on & on... >> >> but taking a gun into a holy place and shooting a person in front of >> their >> family, friends, and God? >> hopefully we can all agree that this is not the act of a loving person or >> one >> who truly values life. & for those who say he was trying to save the >> children, >> i am quite sure there were children in that church who witnessed the >> murder >> and who will never, ever forget what they experienced that day. >> >> Incidentally, late-term abortions, often referred to as partial-birth >> abortions, are very rarely performed and it is not an easy decision for >> the >> parent(s) to come to. These are not women who just decided that they no >> longer wanted a baby. It is not a whim. Even if you don't and will >> never >> agree with it, please try to understand that you are speaking of real >> women and >> men when you make blanket condemnations (and this is true for all of us, >> whether we're in the right, left, or middle). >> >> >> ****************************************** >> Paula Jayne, MA, MPH >> Doctoral Candidate >> Department of Women's Studies >> Emory University >> Atlanta, GA 30322 >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2145 - Release Date: 05/31/09 > 05:53:00 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn