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I totally agree, Scott, ignorance is the enemy. I became an educator too for the same reason - I did not teach my students what to know, but how to know - to get an idea of what they did not know. In AP history classes we spent our time answering essay questions that asked "to what extent is the following statement true?" Students had to analyze and evaluate the sources of documentary evidence like detectives. Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott E Antes" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 2:51 PM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Canadian health care > Hi Ray. Last night we were watching the movie *Tommy Boy*. I'd forgotten > totally about a remark that Dan Akroyd's character made in that film, > "What Americans don't know, that's what makes them Americans." His > statement is the reason I'm an educator. It was supposed to be a funny > comment, obviously, because it is so factual. Most people here do not > know what they're talking about, not when they start spouting opinions > about major issues with which they have no knowledge. As best I know, > ignorance is the only enemy I have in this world. I can't help stupid > people (and we have way too many of those), but hopefully I can do my best > to help the ignorant ones think for themselves. > > Anecdotal: Regarding Canadian health care, of course I cannot speak for > Canadians. I have, however, had many, many friends in Canada. None of > them has complained about the health care system--at least not when it's > compared to the American system. On the contrary, more than once I've > heard something on the order of, "We don't say much good about the > Canadian health care system, because we don't want any more Americans > moving here. We'll be really nice to you when you come and visit; just > don't stay." I also have had numerous acquaintances from Europe tell me > that they would not live in the United States because of the educational > and health care costs here. [Maryse, have you any comments on this? > Apologies if I missed any of your posts on this health care topic.] > > The point you made (Thanks!) about the guy at a town hall meeting > shouting, "Keep the government out of my Medicare," is a perfect example > of what I said above in my first paragraph. Incredible. Bottom line: > What I see as the biggest problem we have in the United States, in terms > of health care or voting or anything else is ignorance. All some > misguided. overpaid, or just plain stupid idealogue on TV has to say is > something like, "The government's health care is designed to kill > seniors," and many Americans simply will believe it. They believe, > because they do not go to the trouble to *know* any better. (Also, good > point on the AARP.) > > I hope I've said something constructive here, and not simply come across > as blowing off steam. Ignorance is the greatest impediment to progress. > Scott > > Scott E. Antes > Northern Arizona University > Department of Anthropology > PO Box 15200 > Flagstaff, AZ 86011 > ________________________________________ > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee > [[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:31 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Fw: Canadian health care > > Betty > > for starters you could read the actual proposed legislation...if you start > on page 425 of one of the proposed bills - they are not finished. > > http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf > > you will learn that the plan to kill seniors is a voluntary > benefit of getting help with living wills, end of life directives, etc. > which most people think are good things to have. You will not find > Obama's > "death panel" as Sarah Palin asserts because it doesn't exist. > > (Snip.) > I heard a guy at a town meeting yell, "keep the government out of my > Medicare". Medicare is a government plan and it is great. I can tell you > that. I'm on Medicare. > > It is very important to consider the source of information. The AARP > supports the government option. Why is that if it is bad for seniors? > > Ray > > Rayilyn Brown > Director AZNPF > Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation > [log in to unmask] > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cees Huisman" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:46 AM > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Canadian health care > >> Ok, I'll respond from a Canadian perspective. I believe our system is >> great >> but obviously not perfect. Yes, waiting lists are sometimes a problem but >> for most acute illnesses the doctors and other professionals try to "get >> on >> it" a.s.a.p. Care itself is excellent. All of us qualify no matter our >> income, so we don't see people losing their house or shirt over health >> care. >> Medication is covered once you are a senior, i.e. after turning 65. Prior >> to that, many of us have health care plans through work or privately for >> drugs, dental work, therapies, etc. Health care funding is mostly through >> the general tax system but part is funded through workplace deductions, >> at >> least in Ontario. Costs are going up but that's also in response to more >> of >> us getting older. It seems to me I read that the average health care >> costs >> in the USA are higher than in Canada. With my PD, I am glad to be in >> Canada. >> Casey >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Murray >>> >>> I'm so glad a Canadian has come to the defense of their health care >>> system >>> and would like to hear from more of you. >>> >>> I am 73 and cannot remember a time when lies became routine political >>> methods for defeating legislation, although I've heard that Medicare met >>> with similar opposition back in the 1960's in the US. The really scary >>> thing is people are believing these lies. I've been trying to get some >>> folks I know to actually read sections of the proposed legislation that >>> applies, but doubt that I have made a dent. These people are mostly high >>> school grads who have never been to a foreign country, just the types >>> Glenn >>> Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh appeal to. >>> >>> My Mom and I had an encounter with the British system back in 1978 when >>> we >>> got put off a cruise ship in Georgetown, Grand Cayman due to my Mom's >>> illness. We were hospitalized about 5 days and she was only charged >>> about >>> $200; I wasn't charged anything because they had extra rooms and food. >>> The >>> Cayman islanders don't pay taxes at all due because King George III >>> exempted >>> them because instead of preying on people who were shipwrecked, they >>> helped >>> them. >>> >>> I won't be surprised if we continue our return to the 11th century >>> despite >>> Obama's election. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Rayilyn Brown >>> Director AZNPF >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Murray Kastner" <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:19 PM >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: New swine flu vaccine >>> >>> Greetings, folks! >>>> >>>> As a Canadian I receive treatment and medication free -- in spite of >>>> the >>>> garbage being generated by the propaganda of the right. Don't beleve >>>> the >>>> ads saying that we are dying waiting for treatment. I am a living >>>> testimony >>>> that it is patently and utterly false. I don't know how they can get >>>> away >>>> with lying like that. The Canadian media would be at their throats >>>> lickety-split >>>> >>>> Anyway, I just heard that our government -- you know, the ones who >>>> supposedly neglect to look after us -- has just ordereed more than 50 >>>> million doses of vaccine against the new flu (swine flu). They say >>>> they >>>> ordered twice the quantity for our population in the event that we >>>> need >>>> two >>>> doses each. >>>> >>>> Some of us are a bit leery of taking medication that is somewhat >>>> untested >>>> or at least not exhaustively tested. 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