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Kathleen yes, its McCarthyism on a gigantic scale, reincarnation of the Salem Witch Trials on steroids. The stem cell controversy was only a skirmish, a preview of things to come. I heard Glenn Beck criticize Obama's Medal of Freedom recipients - "the worst thing I can say about Stephen Hawking is he is an agnostic". What amazes me is that so many Americans fear foreigners, change, science, and the government. And progress. But must they lie? Jill Stanek and the FRC are still claiming "euthanasia" for the end of life choices like living wills because she claims the Hemlock Society and Oregon rep Blumenauer "wrote" it. The "Pray in Jesus Name" group also claims euthanasia, paying for abortions, and a whole list of other lies in Obamacare, like the AARP encourages its members to die. Does this make any sense? Being able to read doesn't help these people. They want to destroy Obama. They fear "something" because they think his mother went to Kenya to give birth to him or that Hawaii is not a state. No, I have never witnessed such outrageous lies. What I fear is that some "patriot" with a gun will succeed in this attempt to destroy the president. Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathleen Cochran" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Fw: Canadian health care > Ray, > > A propos our trajectory back to the Stone Age: I saw a wonderful film last > night, Yoo Hoo Mrs. Goldberg, a documentary about Gertrude Berg, who > created > and played Molly Goldberg on radio and then TV. What brought about the > demise of her show and the death by suicide of her costar Phillip Loeb was > Joe McCarthy and HUAC. The many lives he ruined and the terrible damage he > inflicted on this country continue to haunt us today. > > I feel as though the spirit of the McCarthy era is hovering over the > health > care battle. (I can't call it a debate.) I think the screamers, > lie-mongers, > and Sarah Palin and her ilk are direct descendants of Joe McCarthy, who > was > as banal as he was evil. > > Kathleen > > > 2009/8/9 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> > >> Betty >> >> for starters you could read the actual proposed legislation...if you >> start >> on page 425 of one of the proposed bills - they are not finished. >> >> http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf >> >> you will learn that the plan to kill seniors is a voluntary >> benefit of getting help with living wills, end of life directives, etc. >> which most people think are good things to have. You will not find >> Obama's >> "death panel" as Sarah Palin asserts because it doesn't exist. >> >> Jeff, my computer guy, also claims it is impossible to know who is >> telling >> the truth but I disagree. It may be impossible to know if God exists or >> not, something he accepts on faith, but if you can read it is possible to >> read the proposed bills and find out, >> >> or re national healthcare in Canada, the UK, >> Denmark, etc., ask, see response below to my request for Canadians to >> respond to charges that Canadian healthcare is a socialist failure. >> Now, who would know about Canadian healthcare, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, >> etc., or Canadians? >> >> I heard a guy at a town meeting yell, "keep the government out of my >> Medicare". Medicare is a government plan and it is great. I can tell >> you >> that. I'm on Medicare. >> >> It is very important to consider the source of information. The AARP >> supports the government option. Why is that if it is bad for seniors? >> >> Ray >> >> Rayilyn Brown >> Director AZNPF >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >> [log in to unmask] >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Cees Huisman" <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:46 AM >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Canadian health care >> >> >> Ok, I'll respond from a Canadian perspective. I believe our system is >>> great >>> but obviously not perfect. Yes, waiting lists are sometimes a problem >>> but >>> for most acute illnesses the doctors and other professionals try to "get >>> on >>> it" a.s.a.p. Care itself is excellent. All of us qualify no matter our >>> income, so we don't see people losing their house or shirt over health >>> care. >>> Medication is covered once you are a senior, i.e. after turning 65. >>> Prior >>> to that, many of us have health care plans through work or privately for >>> drugs, dental work, therapies, etc. Health care funding is mostly >>> through >>> the general tax system but part is funded through workplace deductions, >>> at >>> least in Ontario. Costs are going up but that's also in response to more >>> of >>> us getting older. It seems to me I read that the average health care >>> costs >>> in the USA are higher than in Canada. With my PD, I am glad to be in >>> Canada. >>> Casey >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Murray >>>> >>>> I'm so glad a Canadian has come to the defense of their health care >>>> system >>>> and would like to hear from more of you. >>>> >>>> I am 73 and cannot remember a time when lies became routine political >>>> methods for defeating legislation, although I've heard that Medicare >>>> met >>>> with similar opposition back in the 1960's in the US. The really scary >>>> thing is people are believing these lies. I've been trying to get some >>>> folks I know to actually read sections of the proposed legislation that >>>> applies, but doubt that I have made a dent. These people are mostly >>>> high >>>> school grads who have never been to a foreign country, just the types >>>> Glenn >>>> Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh appeal to. >>>> >>>> My Mom and I had an encounter with the British system back in 1978 when >>>> we >>>> got put off a cruise ship in Georgetown, Grand Cayman due to my Mom's >>>> illness. We were hospitalized about 5 days and she was only charged >>>> about >>>> $200; I wasn't charged anything because they had extra rooms and food. >>>> The >>>> Cayman islanders don't pay taxes at all due because King George III >>>> exempted >>>> them because instead of preying on people who were shipwrecked, they >>>> helped >>>> them. >>>> >>>> I won't be surprised if we continue our return to the 11th century >>>> despite >>>> Obama's election. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> Rayilyn Brown >>>> Director AZNPF >>>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Murray Kastner" <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:19 PM >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Subject: New swine flu vaccine >>>> >>>> Greetings, folks! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As a Canadian I receive treatment and medication free -- in spite of >>>>> the >>>>> garbage being generated by the propaganda of the right. Don't beleve >>>>> the >>>>> ads saying that we are dying waiting for treatment. I am a living >>>>> testimony >>>>> that it is patently and utterly false. I don't know how they can get >>>>> away >>>>> with lying like that. The Canadian media would be at their throats >>>>> lickety-split >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I just heard that our government -- you know, the ones who >>>>> supposedly neglect to look after us -- has just ordereed more than 50 >>>>> million doses of vaccine against the new flu (swine flu). They say >>>>> they >>>>> ordered twice the quantity for our population in the event that we >>>>> need >>>>> two >>>>> doses each. >>>>> >>>>> Some of us are a bit leery of taking medication that is somewhat >>>>> untested >>>>> or at least not exhaustively tested. 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