Well said Rick :-) May I just add that it was Fox news that broadcasted a "Documentary" propagating that the moon landing was a hoax... Now that is real baboons rising...! Nic 57/15 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rick McGirr <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Gee whiz, I've been really good about getting into arguments about politics > and religion on this listserv. But I simply have to say, Ernesto, that > you'll have to go a lot farther in explaining just how Barack Obama is a > socialist, or how he's turning the US into a socialist state. The rumor > mills like Fox Network's "unfair and out-of-balance" reporting, and > rabble-rousers like Rush Limbaugh (who calls himself an entertainer) and > like Redstate.org, have caused much misunderstanding and unnecessary > difficulty in discussing something as complex as how to better the > healthcare system. For example, the marine in the first video you posted > did a great job spanking the polite congressman's ass til it was bright > pink, but he didn't have his facts straight, nor did he know his history > well. Nazi Germany was absolutely not a socialist state. It was a fascist > state, and Hitler made sure that only the industry owners that were loyal > to > him would profit. Nothing could resemble socialism less than the Third > Reich. And the marine was apparently enraged about how the rep. phrased > his > statement that you will have the option of keeping the current plan that > you're on. But I'm not sure what he was mad about. And of course the > neo-con media machine has this misguided marine on all the talk shows > nationwide, and they hammer home the scare tactics and misinformation. > > Introducing the govt. plan would hopefully serve to control skyrocketing > healthcare costs, and it would also provide for the many poor who can't > afford adequate healthcare. Is America to be a place where we no longer > care for these poor folks? Aren't they part of the American family? I > would say that families are more than a little socialistic, do you see? > Can > you tell us why it would be bad for us to have more options, and why would > it be bad to introduce more competition in the healthcare and insurance > markets? Can you tell us that those who can't afford healthcare should be > turned away? > > These days, I have to be careful not to waste any pills, because my > pharmacy > and my insurance co. is so tight with the refills that I might have to > actually run out before I can get any more. There are some that I take > electively that I would like to get more of, but I can't because my > insurance only covers 4 pills per month. Four! For more, on the open > market > today I would pay $75 per pill! Anyway, without my wife's health insurance, > I certainly wouldn't be taking any meds for my PD, because I wouldn't be > able to afford the average $600 per bottle (times four medications, > refilling every 30 days) When I go to the doctor, he doesn't have time to > talk to me, because he has all his visits timed to so many minutes per > patient, and if I'm completing a sentence when the time runs out, too bad. > He's gone. If there's anyone I would suspect of caring more about > controlling cost to maximize profit, it's the insurers and drug companies. > Many doctors feel compelled to limit the care they give their patients due > to the profit analysis that their medical group subjects them to. The > Merck/GDNF fiasco is ample evidence of drug company hegemony and > indifference. > > If you are lucky enough to have your medical needs satisfied with your > present insurance, I am glad for you. You are among the fortunate few. > The > rest of us look at the system now, and it looks to us like an oligarchy of > the corporations. > > In other words, if you are afraid of rationed care and limited coverage, > look around. That's the way it is today. The monster called "Profit > Motive" has complete control of the healthcare system. Obama's idea is to > change that somewhat. Is this not a good thing? > > Enjoy! > Rick McGirr > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ernesto Divo > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:07 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising > > Small segment of the population...? Sir/madam, allow me to differ, I > believe > you are confused and are trying to turn a political issue into a racial > one. > It has nothing to do with race, rather, it has to do with the fact that our > president has done more in 8 months to turn our country into a socialist > state than Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has done in 10 yrs in that, now > socialist, South American country. I know, I was born there and, also > think > I know a little about this, our country, have been bleeding Red, White and > Blue for the past 40 yrs. As you probably are aware, my, your president's > ratings have been going down dramatically in the last few months, even us > democrats have turned away from supporting him, as issues, way too many to > enumerate here, have been exposed in the media and town meetings which > makes us older, disabled folks take a second look at these proposed very > expensive, socialist changes. > > Below, a couple of videos for your perousal. > > YouTube - Town Hall Meeting with U.S. Congressman Brian > Baird<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRE5UK6NQU&feature=player_em> > > http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php > > Enjoy, > > Ernesto > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, (Stacey) (Collins) > <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > > WOW > > > > > > > > > > Thank God for the second amendment > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ernesto Divo <[log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 9:16 pm > > Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising > > > > > > > > If ever there was any doubt, this removes it all. > > > > Gotta read it all, hits the nail right on the head... > > *This is the article that ran in Pravda on April 27 of this year. The > > irony > > f this article appearing in the English edition of Pravda (Russian State > > ewspaper) defies description.* > > ** > > > > *American capitalism** gone with a whimper * > > > > American capitalism gone with a whimper * > > It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American > > descent > > nto Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop > of > > passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people. > > True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past > century, > > specially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was > conducted > > pon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not > > ust roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much > > oney Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists. > > Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American > > opulacefor the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of > > heir elites > > nd betters. > > First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and > substandard > > ducation system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans > > now more about their favo > > rite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly > > ffects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a > > cDonalds burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional > > ights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about > our > > democracy". Pride blinds the foolish. > > Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of > > housands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part > > ittle more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top > Protestant > > ega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to > be > > n the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their > > locks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the > "winning" > > ide, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for > earthly > > ower. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in > > merica . > > The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed > in > > he past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money > > rinting has been a record setting, not just in America 's short history > but > > n the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no > > ign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic > and > > t worst Zimbabwe .. > > These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came > > the > > nnouncement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, > by > > he very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and sw > > indles of > > undreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look > > ittle more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans > > ave beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate > > hem? > > These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees > > icked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now > > orging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after > > nother. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the > > merican congress (parliament) . Again, congress has put up little more > than > > whimper to their masters. > > Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motors) president > step > > own from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the > > and of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the > > elf given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of > private > > ompanies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his > > inions. > > So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed > this > > p with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, > > hosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will > > ven be the guarantor of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the > > hance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, > > oo. Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK > 's > > lair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. > > pparently, even though20we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored > > orror show, we know nothing as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our > "wise" > > nglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride. > > Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a > > freeman" whimper. > > So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democrat controlled > > ongress of America is working on passing a new regulations that would > give > > he American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, > > valuate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises > > nd bonuses? Senator Barney Frank, a social pervert basking in his > > omosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American > societal > > orm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a > > ooked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his > > arxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only > > ffects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive > and > > aken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry > that > > as ever received a tax break or incentive. > > The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look > > houghtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and > > leeing the land of the Red as fast as possible.. In other words, divest > > hile there is still value left. The proud American will go down into his > > lavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, > how > > ree he really is. The world will only snicker. > > *Stanislav > > Mishin*C 1999-2009. <PRAVDA.Ru>. When reproducing our materials > > n whole or in part, hyperlink to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions > and > > iews of the authors do not always coincide with the point of view of > > RAVDA.Ru's editors. > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:15 AM, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > I don't know who the author of this piece is, except for the URL, but I > > totally agree with it and can only beg you to read the bill, especially > > the > > section that starts on page 425 re living wills. > > http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf > > Peg Willocks had a great idea about us reading the bill. Let's do it!! > > > > I heard Glenn Beck try to cover his butt this past week in case we have > > another Dr. Tiller killing. > > > > Ray > > > > Source: http:/deepbraindiary.com > > > > Bad Moon Rising > > August 8, 2009, 9:18AM > > > > What does it say about America when a small portion of the population > > believes their president wants to kill them? > > > > What does it say about this segment of the population when they > sincerely > > believe this ludicrous idea, even though they can't point to a THING in > > the > > Obama health care reform plan that supports it? > > > > What does it say about our country that people -- GOOD people who pay > > their > > taxes and love their children and contribute to society in a positive > way > > -- > > are so willing to believe that an innocent plan to reimburse doctors for > > having end-of-life discussions once every five years with patients who > > REQUEST such a discussion mean > > s Obama will have "death panels" to decide > > who > > lives and who dies? > > > > What does it say about a segment of our society when people with a > vested > > interest in maintaining the status quo can fool them into believing > their > > lie when a simple look at the proposed legislation would expose these > > lies? > > > > Why is it easier for this segment of the population to believe their > > president wants to smother them with pillows, rip babies from their > > bellies, > > and send those deemed "unproductive" to the gas chambers than it is for > > them > > to read the bill for themselves and come to a reasonable, logical > decision > > of what is IN the bill... not what they are TOLD is in the bill? > > > > What does it say about these so-called opinion leaders like Limbaugh and > > Hannity and Beck and Dobbs and others who say Obama is a Nazi and the > > health > > care logo looks like a Nazi symbol and compare a plan to provide health > > care > > for those who can not afford it and those with pre-existing conditions > who > > can not GET it to the HOLOCAUST -- the most evil act of man against man > in > > the history of the planet? > > > > I'm not afraid of Islamofascists. I don't worry about isolated Muslim > > terror cells causing acts of terrorism in America. I don't fear > > foreigners. > > I fear these Americans who are willing to believe that their president > > wants > > to kill their grandmothers and their babies. I fear these so-called > > "patriots" who believe liars like Sarah Palin who tells them that Obama > > wants=2 > > 0to kill her Downs Syndrome baby. I fear these > > intellectually-challenged mouth-breathing shouting idiots, like > Minnesota > > Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann who believes Obama wants to kill ME > > because > > I have Parkinson's disease. > > > > Noise is noise. Demonstrations are demonstrations. But evil is > pervasive > > and progressive. First, they shout. Then, they hit. Then they damage > > property. Then... they start killing people. > > > > That is what I fear. Not some nameless, faceless Islamofascist with a > > dirty > > bomb. I fear some right-wing lunatic with a high-powered rifle who will > > try > > to invalidate a legitimate election with a single bullet because the > > voices > > on the radio TOLD him to. I fear a group of self-styled "freedom > > fighters" > > who -- inspired by Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann -- will pack a > rental > > truck with fertilizer and diesel fuel and park it in front of ANOTHER > > federal building and blow it up in the name of "Liberty." > > > > And I'm not the only one who fears this. The ultra-right wing Pajamas > > Media > > hate site, home for some of the most virulent, hate-filled commentary, > has > > posted a boilerplate warning to those who would add a thought to the > > comment > > section... > > > > Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following > > guidelines: > > > > 1. Avoid profanities or foul language unless it is contained in a > > necessary > > quote or is relevant to the comment. > > 2. Stay on topic. > > 3. 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Stories like, "Obama wants to get your e-mail address if you > disagree > > with him so he can persecute you." > > > > When something bad happens and the pushing and shoving at the town halls > > escaltes into real violence, and the unthinkable happens... you know > what > > I > > mean by that... these same people who have stoked the violence and > fanned > > it > > and nurtured the hatred that led to it will scratch their heads in > wonder > > and tell you it wasn't their fault. They were just "talking." They > were > > just "expressing an opinion." > > > > At some point, we have to ask ourselves when this constant fanning of > > irrational hatred and paranoia and tweaking of the fear and emotions of > > stupid people who fear the unknown and hate the fact that we have an > > African > > American as president equates to "shouting fire in a crowded theater." > > > > And we'd better do it soon. > > > > See more at > > http://deepbraindiary.com > > > > Rayilyn Brown > > Director AZNPF > > Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation > > [log in to unmask] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > > [log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > o sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > > [log in to unmask] > > n the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > > [log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > [log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto: > [log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn