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How do you explain the Canadian system? If we trim the excesses of the American for-profit system, there is ample funding for all. At least there is for many other countries, i.e. France, Germany, Britain, etc. Just look at the percentage of GNP expended by each country. Eisenhower said, "Beware the military-industrial lobbies." But I full well understand that the lobbies profiting from wars is just too powerful and well entrenched to deal with. On 2-Sep-09, at 9:10 AM, Black Charles wrote: > as a taxpayer, of I want only to take care of those who are truly > unable to take care of themselves. We can afford to do that. > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Murray Kastner <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> From: Murray Kastner <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Constitution Rising >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:33 AM >> Let me get this straight: the richest >> and advanced civilization on >> this planet cannot afford the care and welfare of its >> citizens? There >> is something seriously wrong with this picture! Maybe if >> the USA >> refrained from stupid and expensive wars based on lies and >> deception >> and fomented for profit, it could what might be termed its >> primary >> obligations. Is that too simplistic? >> >> On 1-Sep-09, at 10:13 AM, Black Charles wrote: >> >>> RAy; >>> >>> No where in this magnificent document is >> health care mentioned as >>> a right. >>> >>> Single payer WILL lead to rationing. We do not have >> enough doctors >>> to service the millions who would be come elgible for >> care. >>> >>> I think that we should incrementally >> ease in to a program that >>> will take care of the 5-6 million who truly cannot >> afford it. >>> >>> To do otherwise risks a protracted resession. >>> >>> I will email you a proper answer to y our post. >>> >>> I am still amazed that Mr. Hill called me a racist. >> When all else >>> fails I suppose......LOL >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Subject: Re: Constitution Rising >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:40 PM >>>> Charlie >>>> >>>> The purposes of the constitution are contained in >> the >>>> Preamble which states that: >>>> >>>> "We the people of the United States, in order to >> form a >>>> more perfect union, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, >> insure domestic >>>> tranquility, provide for the common defense, >> PROMOTE THE >>>> GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the blessings of >> liberty to >>>> ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and >> establish this >>>> constitution for the United States of America." >>>> >>>> The original document counted slaves as 3/5 a >> person and >>>> women could not vote. Thank goodness the >> founders gave >>>> us general guidelines and the ability to adapt to >> the times >>>> with this document. >>>> >>>> For those of us who believe that universal health >> care is a >>>> right, not a privilege of the rich, it is long >> overdue and >>>> in keeping with the principles of government >> stated above. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> Rayilyn Brown >>>> Director AZNPF >>>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:18 AM >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Subject: Re: Baboon Rising >>>> >>>>> there are 4-5 million people who truly >> cannot >>>> afford health insurance. The rest (16-25 million) >> are either >>>> here illegally and as such the only government >> funds we >>>> should spend on them is a one way ticket to their >> country of >>>> origin. The other 15-20 million choose not to >> purchase >>>> insurance. >>>>> Health care is NOT a Constitutional >> right! How >>>> would you feel if you were >>>>> ORDERED by the Federal government to purchase >> health >>>> insurance? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Congressional Budget Office said >> back in >>>> April that the unfunded liability of Obamas plan >> was 1 >>>> TRILLION dollars and that the deficit would be 12 >> TRILLION >>>> dollars even before healthcare. Those of us on >> MEdicare will >>>> be devestated if Obama tries to pull 500 BILLION >> dollars >>>> from it to partially pay for his plan. >>>>> >>>>> WE can solve this problem without >> wrecking our >>>> economy. >>>>> >>>>> IF Obama gets his way we will see horrific >> inflation. >>>>> IF you note Obama last week had to agree with >> the CBO >>>> on the deficit figures. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a hint for you guys, watch what >> he DOES, >>>> NOT what he says!!! >>>>> >>>>> look at the "Czars' he surrounds himself >> with. >>>>> >>>>> The special prosecutor for the CIA >> interrogators >>>> is just a ruse to draw your attention away >> from his >>>> next move and to mollify his ultra-liberal >> power >>>> base. >>>>> >>>>> P.T.Barnum was right......... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Charlie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff >> parkinsn >>>> >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn