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Charlie I never said that health care was mentioned anywhere in the constitution; neither are interstate highways, aviation regulations, welfare, the FDIC, Social Security, Medicare, until 1913 the direct election of senators, 1920 the right of women to vote, Amendment 19, the FDA, citizenship of former slaves Amendment 14 ( used in late 19th century to give rights to corporations considered as persons), the Sherman Anti-trust Act, the right of 18 year olds to vote Amendment 26, etc. etc. What I tried to point out is that the constitution sets general guidelines; each generation fills in the specifics. Read the preamble again. Murray, too many Americans sleep through US Government class in high school Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Murray Kastner" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:33 AM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Constitution Rising > Let me get this straight: the richest and advanced civilization on this > planet cannot afford the care and welfare of its citizens? There is > something seriously wrong with this picture! Maybe if the USA refrained > from stupid and expensive wars based on lies and deception and fomented > for profit, it could what might be termed its primary obligations. Is > that too simplistic? > > On 1-Sep-09, at 10:13 AM, Black Charles wrote: > >> RAy; >> >> No where in this magnificent document is health care mentioned as a >> right. >> >> Single payer WILL lead to rationing. We do not have enough doctors to >> service the millions who would be come elgible for care. >> >> I think that we should incrementally ease in to a program that will >> take care of the 5-6 million who truly cannot afford it. >> >> To do otherwise risks a protracted resession. >> >> I will email you a proper answer to y our post. >> >> I am still amazed that Mr. Hill called me a racist. When all else fails >> I suppose......LOL >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: Constitution Rising >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:40 PM >>> Charlie >>> >>> The purposes of the constitution are contained in the >>> Preamble which states that: >>> >>> "We the people of the United States, in order to form a >>> more perfect union, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, insure domestic >>> tranquility, provide for the common defense, PROMOTE THE >>> GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the blessings of liberty to >>> ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this >>> constitution for the United States of America." >>> >>> The original document counted slaves as 3/5 a person and >>> women could not vote. Thank goodness the founders gave >>> us general guidelines and the ability to adapt to the times >>> with this document. >>> >>> For those of us who believe that universal health care is a >>> right, not a privilege of the rich, it is long overdue and >>> in keeping with the principles of government stated above. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Rayilyn Brown >>> Director AZNPF >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:18 AM >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: Baboon Rising >>> >>>> there are 4-5 million people who truly cannot >>> afford health insurance. The rest (16-25 million) are either >>> here illegally and as such the only government funds we >>> should spend on them is a one way ticket to their country of >>> origin. The other 15-20 million choose not to purchase >>> insurance. >>>> Health care is NOT a Constitutional right! How >>> would you feel if you were >>>> ORDERED by the Federal government to purchase health >>> insurance? >>>> >>>> >>>> The Congressional Budget Office said back in >>> April that the unfunded liability of Obamas plan was 1 >>> TRILLION dollars and that the deficit would be 12 TRILLION >>> dollars even before healthcare. Those of us on MEdicare will >>> be devestated if Obama tries to pull 500 BILLION dollars >>> from it to partially pay for his plan. >>>> >>>> WE can solve this problem without wrecking our >>> economy. >>>> >>>> IF Obama gets his way we will see horrific inflation. >>>> IF you note Obama last week had to agree with the CBO >>> on the deficit figures. >>>> >>>> Here's a hint for you guys, watch what he DOES, >>> NOT what he says!!! >>>> >>>> look at the "Czars' he surrounds himself with. >>>> >>>> The special prosecutor for the CIA interrogators >>> is just a ruse to draw your attention away from his >>> next move and to mollify his ultra-liberal power >>> base. >>>> >>>> P.T.Barnum was right......... >>>> >>>> >>>> Charlie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn